This is a story of specific facts, and how the interpretation of those facts could either lead to lengthy imprisonment for an individual or just a costly bill to an uninvolved 3rd party.

the purpose of the armorer is to provide a safe weapon inspected by an expert to a person that is not an expert.
the actor is not expected to know how to determine if a gun is safe.

if I had a gun to a child to look at and the gun goes off, is it the childs fault or my fault for not checking to see if its empty.

(I used a child because that's what actors are. :))

Well, any adult handling any firearm under any circumstance is responsible for what happens with that firearm.

It doesn’t seem reasonable to me that actors are somehow exempt from personal responsibility while handling a firearm and some9n gets killed.

If the child was an adult and hired someone else specifically to do the job of handing him the gun and KNEW you were not that person...well i'd say said child carries a lot of responsibility.

I have said, I don't think AB will get charged as the shooter.
but, if the gun was handed to him by someone else other than the armorer then perhaps yes.
he should know as an actor and producer not to accept a gun from anyone other than the armorer. I don't know the laws and rules for guns on a set. just what I am hearing and reading
yes I think he will get charged as producer.

I also think AB will find a way out.

I don’t think there are any laws specifying an exemption from negligence with firearms. Baldwin would like people, specifically a jury, to think so, though.

Interesting point.

Do union rules and SOP's override common law and responsibility?

I guess we'll find out.

That or my wife is the armorer and I had no idea the pistol was loaded when I shot my neighbor.

Andrew Branca has written several articles about it, here’s one regarding the New Mexico laws as they apply to this situation.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/10/legal-analysis-alec-baldwin-situation-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-manslaughter/

Well, AB seems to have ABC on his side. Maybe the exclusive interview rights given to little Georgie had a stipulation that a follow up special preaching his innocence had to be included in the deal. Tune in Friday and all will be revealed.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/2020-inside-investigation-friday-98c-abc-stream-hulu-81633491?fbclid=IwAR0hgp11sgrQR297f0OnO9kEKc-z8dCD9Gh6Bq7HaMLzW0IY3x2jXpCAt1s

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interesting.
I don't own any revolvers but my SA 9mm semi has the hammer lock. I know it has one at half cocked, not sure if it has the one that activates when the hammer is pulled 1/8 of an inch but I will check. I do know that I have to pull the hammer back and pull the trigger to release it.
I have never checked to see if the gun would go off with trigger pulled and the hammer released from the half cocked position because the slide would probably break my thumb. if not it sure would hurt.

If your 9mm has a visible hammer you can cock it will not drop unless you pull the trigger.
That is why many newer semi auto's have a 'decocking' lever as one has to pull the trigger and lower the hammer on older designs and if it gets away from you there can be a round fired. (if you had a round in the chamber)
The decocking lever lowers the hammer with a firing pin blocking device.

The thing to note in the vid is that the SA revolver was identified as an exact copy (Pietta Italian factory) of the SA Colt.
You cannot drop the hammer from half cock etc. without pulling the trigger IF the weapon is in good order. They have the weapon so that will be a known.

Is there any way the gun Baldwin used was either worn or modified where the hammer locks didn't engage?

Sure, you can modify anything to operate out of the norm. However, that would entail filing down the 3 notches off of the hammer base... the carry safety notch, the half cock reloading notch and the full cock trigger notch. Then you'd have a worthless pistol that could only be used for fanning or a circus act.

However, if it is properly viable then his story is bunkum.

Oh, I'm not giving him benefit of the doubt - he's a despicable prick. I was just wondering if a modification was possible.

Any firearm can be modified but you'd render the revolver basically inoperable if you filed off all of the notches on the hammer base. That is what you'd have to do to have a hammer fall with no trigger pressure.

There would be no reason to modify a "studio gun" in that way. The only modifications that are done is plugging the barrel or in the case of semi autos, modifying them so that low powder 1/4 blank rounds can operate the slide so that they can be used in indoor scenes or those where you want some sound dampening.

I know when I have de-cocked my gun, it would be very awkward to release the hammer so that it even had enough force to fire the gun. not to mention I have to hold the trigger in to do that.
actually I am not sure I could pull the trigger AND release the hammer UNLESS it was fully cocked because of the leverage my thumb would have on the hammer.
I also don't think I could do it one handed but I will try.

You know those evidence locker cameras only function about half the time these days.
And those lazy cops are always falling asleep.

On The Five, they said a warrant has been issued for Baldwins phone.

To see if he had been txting and speaking to others on the scene to influence their comments to the Police investigators....that would be obstruction....

They should have gotten his phone the day it happened

If he made teh calls/txts they are out there...you can erase them from your device but they do not disappear...

He can dispute the contents of a phone call but if he sent a txt to anyone he's an idiot.

We've all seen the photos of him on set. I'm guessing these were taken with his phone because he shared them on Instagram.

A cloth will do it.

I stick a finger in front of the hammer when I do that. I'd rather have a blister than an accidental discharge. BTW, 50 years of gun ownership and never an accidental discharge.

With a gun.

well...yeah but I can be a very excitable boy.

"He also dismissed the notion that he personally should have checked to make sure the bullets weren’t real. George Clooney is among those who have publicly made that claim. “Every single time I’m handed a gun on the set, every time they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it to, I show it to the crew,” Clooney said on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast. “Every single take.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/12/alec-baldwin-gun-trigger-abc-interview

...and he'd been handed that gun by the proper individual...the armorer....

Every time AB opens his mouth he digs deeper.

I can’t imagine his lawyers haven’t told him to STFU. As such, he’s dumber than a...anything.

He says, among other things, that he always does what the prop armorer tells him do. Except the armorer wasn’t even in the room, IIRC. I’m not sure. In any case, nobody told him to shoot anybody.

I wonder how many more, if any, live rounds were in the gun.

Its a good thing he wasn't trained to double tap (or the Mozambique drill).

Resurrecting since Baldwin went on a roll. His lawyers must be apoplectic.

Video embedded here:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/baldwin-around-the-bend.php

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What is this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1641737005.jpg

That is a personalized Splenda artificial sweetener packet.

Important Evidence.

He's losing it...

The details on that Splenda packet story:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/outsider.com/american-entertainment/alec-baldwin-gets-emotional-telling-story-2022-miracle/amp/

How heartwarming.

He should be on suicide watch.

He doesn’t seem to realize, he is (psychotically) railing against the very forces he has spent his entire life supporting.

He shoots somebody and is then aghast that the government wants to know exactly how it happened.

From a distance, it does appear that he’s been a bit of a Fruitloop his whole life.

Maybe it runs in his family.