Alec Baldwin.. I didn’t pull the trigger
 

So he claims he did not pull the trigger.

I am guessing he is either in denial that he killed I assume a friend because I’m sure that was a severely traumatic experience.
Or
He is holding his “trial” In the public forum now in hopes that he is swaying a potential jury in his favor.

Personally what I have seen of him off set he is a real douche with a temper and his wife appears to be a real tool too. Haven’t seen all of the interview but so far it confirms my feelings. For me.

Possible psychotic break. Or working on a legal defense.

Single action revolvers do not just go off by accident.

My comment from the other thread...

"So now it's a self firing pistol?
Anything to avoid taking responsibility for what happened... How predictable and pathetic.

And Stephanopoulos should be ashamed of himself for trying to cover for this guy."

Alec BaldBalls is a low life POS.

Ok, the problem with this style of defense is this....you have to physically pull the hammer back with your thumb on a single action Colt 1873 model revolver.
This puts the hammer at full cock and moves the cylinder ... if you 'pulled' the trigger before cocking the piece nothing would happen.
If your finger has the trigger pressed, under pressure, the hammer will fall as soon as you remove your thumb. It need not be pulled.

You can 'fan' a single action Colt by holding the trigger down and, with the off hand, striking/fanning the hammer spur.

A strange thing to say with that type of revolver....

Lawyer speak for a 'defective firearm' perhaps.... setting the stage.

Posted in the OT thread: I saw it somewhere.."I did not have pull with that trigger!".

Back in the day if there was ever an "unauthorised discharge" the rifle was immediately given to an armourer so he could check the condition of the rifle. If it was found to be faulty the soldier usually got off with a warning but that didn't happen very often. In most cases the soldier was formally charged.

FYI In most cases even dropping a cocked gun wont make it go off.

The big problem with this defence is that any experienced armourer will tell you that guns just don't go off on their own.
To even try something like this as part of his defence is a clear display of arrogance in the extreme!

Wouldn't this be on film?

Apparently, no cameras were running at the time.

it could be so traumatic for baldwin that he has to believe that he did NOT pull the trigger to keep from killing himself.

but then I don't think baldwin has any conscience or concern for anyone other than himself.

stephie is a disgrace. of course he wont ask the tough questions.

How shameful to be involved in a tragic accident (negligent, but accident just the same) that took a life and then **** all over her memory by not owning up to what you did.

What a sorry sack of crap he is.

In my honest and biased opinion I really don't think AB is responsible for the cinematographer's death beyond being too cheap to hire decent, experienced people.

I believe (and it will eventually come out) that the armourer was responsible for the live ammo being brought on site and eventually on set. She is young, scared and inexperienced and is going to deny responsibility until enough evidence is brought forth and then and only then will she break.

Yes, as to that discharge...the armorer is, by description, responsible for all weapon related events. However, we don't know the circumstances that could influence that.
Was the armorer present because they were going to use weapons that day or not?

Baldwin was also 'in charge' as the producer and many had left the job scene due to activity they could not abide union related and safety.

What he is responsible for is not checking a weapon IF it was not supposed to be used in that scene and he picked it up himself without the armorer present.

IOW, it ain't cut/dried.

He pulled or had the trigger suppressed when he drew and cocked....he just has ptsd'd that out of the sequence.

It is inconceivable to me that Baldwin would not have known about the inappropriate use of firearms and live ammo. He had to replace crew members who walked off, specifically citing the perilous work environment due to untended weapons, recreational shooting, etc.

As such, everyone, including and especially Baldwin himself, should have been hyper-vigilant on that set with a replacement crew, real firearms and live ammo.

I agree.

an actor is not required to know anything about guns. that is the job of the armorer.
UNLESS baldwin had been actually shooting the gun with live ammo, as an actor and killing someone he should not be held responsible. the armorer should.
NOW, as producer he may end up with lawsuits but probably no jail time.
unless it is found out that the gun had been used for live ammo shooting.

as for the armorer, I think she is screwed.


I will not be surprised to find out baldwin and others were shooting live ammo with that gun ON the set.

as for baldwin, my opinion of him could not get any lower after his tv interview and its "not my fault".

this might be true in Hollyweird but a jury in rural New Mexico may see it differently

It doesn't matter what some company's internal policy or procedure is.
It might say in the corporate formation documents that killing janitors and puppies is allowed. That shouldn't make it so in the eyes of the law.
Two people were shot and one was killed but the law still hasn't arrested Baldwin.

His interview was just bizarre.
He said everyone was quickly hustled out by security, but for an hour he thought she had fainted.
Oh yeah, and he wasn't 'allowed' to check the weapon before using it in the scene.

At first Baldwins public comments seemed unwise to me. Why is he talking about this? What good could that do?
- But it now looks like there's a coordinated effort to protect Baldwin.

Considering what we've all seen over the last few years, that shouldn't surprise anyone here.

And he's not going to be arrested or formally charged. If that was going to happen it would've happened by now.

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I don’t know, I think he could be charged for involuntary manslaughter. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t. Given the high profile of the case, it’s not a surprise that it’s moving slowly.

Not necessarily would Baldwin have been arrested or even charged by now. So far, there isn’t evidence of a criminal charge (outside of criminal negligence) nor does Baldwin appear to be a flight risk.

I’ll bet Baldwin is speaking out against legal advice. We know Hollywood is populated mostly by anti 2A zealots sequestered from society and obsessed with surrounding themselves with like-minded phonies in fantasy-land.

It seems to me that Baldwin is and always has viewed himself outside the norms of societal rules. He probably thinks the court of public opinion has more authority than actual courts do and that the public opinion in which he exists is the only one.

It will be interesting, if this goes to a jury trial, will the jury be truly a jury of his peers, i.e., abuncha Hollywood types.

If so, I've never seen a collection of 12 sphincters render a valid opinion.

of course they want to protect AB.
look how stephie set up the defense of it was not a "cheap production that was cutting corners" in the beginning of the "interview"

Andrew Branca is going to write an article today exploring the theory that the interview was a ploy to take a possible murder charge off the table. Might be worth a read to see what he has to say.

He still thinks involuntary manslaughter is a slam dunk, as do I. That is, if the prosecutor has a political will to go forward with it.

Layers of legal defense:

1). It was entirely the armorer's fault. The individual actor had no voluntary control over the real weapon used while in his possession. He wasn't allowed to even check if it was loaded. Hollywood laws supercede local, state, and federal laws.

2). The safety conditions were actually created by the union workers who had walked off the job in protest earlier that day. That includes the job of the armorer whom he personally selected, hired, and supervised as the Producer.

3). The weapon accidentally discharged itself. (even though internet rumor sez he shouted in anger at the DP just before firing in her direction) He never realized the weapon had fired in his hands until told by police an hour later. He thought she just fainted.

Here's an interview my friend Dutch Merrick did on CNN. He explains in more detail the "custody" of the gun on a film set. Hopefully it gives a little more insight....

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The only insight I gained from this BS is that these three people are doing everything they can to absolve Baldwin of any responsibility for killing someone.

Baldwin actually says movie-making people should not be careleess or reckless with...wait for it...money!

With respect Craig, even if the Armorer was lax in her duty, Baldwin accepted a firearm from someone other than the armorer on set, which even your friend made clear should never happen.

he doesn't feel any guilt but he is concerned about his reputation and story to do this interview.
this was the best acting of his life.

what a dirt bag.

IMO Mr Baldwin always came out like a big bullying turd.

Which I made clear in the thread over on OT...

So why does it sound like your friend is making excuses for Baldwin? Truth is, I don't think he even believes what he's saying. If the armoreer wasn't even in the room (where the gun was) I would think that would compel Bldwin to be even more cautious.

I think Alec is toast. I think Alec knows he's toast and is priming to claim victim status. Or something even weirder. It doesn't seem right for Baldwin to have gone all public with interviews and such. There seems to me to be something we don't know yet that Baldwin knows is gonna come out. Like maybe he pressured people to hustle this scene because of time.

His friend is in the business and will not make a definitive call because he is in the business and wants to stay employed.

Armorer not on the set.... folks handling firearms... Baldwin handed a firearm on set not from the armorer and fails to check it himself.

Yes, there is culpability there...for Baldwin as he was the producer / the actor / the shooter with no armorer on set.

In all the years I have owned pistols, I have never had one just go off by itself. They always, 100% of the time require the trigger to be pulled with a round in the chamber. Even unloaded they don't cycle by themselves.

Of course the guns used on TV shows and movies all rattle like they are a bag of parts when the actors move them around. Maybe it is just the rattly Hollywood guns that fire themselves from movement alone.

...in this case after one has to manually cock the hammer, and, if it had been defective would they not have noted that in prior scenes?

In a Colt or Colt reproduction the trigger itself engages the Hammer, there is no sear or interrupting device.

The trigger has an extension that locks into a notch on the Hammer base... I have seen them touchy but they still needed a squeeze.
The only way that could happen is if the trigger spring (flat spring) had broken off. They have the pistol so it will be known if it was in good repair.

Thanks, Craig - I found your friend to be very informative especially with his emphasis on the relationship between Armorer and actor being a kind of sacred thing.

However it is explained why the Armorer was not present is where I believe criminal charges will be filed.

[QUOTE=craigster59;11538877]Here's an interview my friend Dutch Merrick did on CNN. He explains in more detail the "custody" of the gun on a film set. Hopefully it gives a little more insight....


I think I worked with Dutch on a show once. Lots of guns and he had an assistance to help monitor. A with a stuntman with a mean looking semi- auto ran quick time to the head, like he was in need of a toilet NOW, Dutch chased him down and took the gun from him. You can’t leave the set with a gun.

The DA in the NM area responsible said she has not decided upon charges as yet... no one is in the clear.

Based on Baldwin's claim, can you imagine how many people should have died in these pictures?

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All those guns just waiting to go off without anyone pulling the triggers! Baldwin is claiming that guns kill people all by themselves!

sad thing is he has convinced a large number of people (idiots) that he did nothing wrong.

and the crying. OMB that was pathetic. he even cried about his years of acting.