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herr_oberst 03-21-2024 07:50 AM

Maybe it bothers me more than it should....
 
There's a trend in spoken English language by younger adult people. Words like "mountain" are now pronounced "mow-un"; i.e. the t is silent.

It's called glottalization.

I wish they'd quit it and go back to pronouncing words properly. Now get off my lawn!

GH85Carrera 03-21-2024 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12217158)
There's a trend in spoken English language by younger adult people. Words like "mountain" are now pronounced "mow-un"; i.e. the t is silent.

It's called glottalization.

I wish they'd quit it and go back to pronouncing words they way they're spelled.

Like Wednesday or Salmon?

herr_oberst 03-21-2024 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 12217163)
Like Wednesday or Salmon?

Touché. I'll edit my post

masraum 03-21-2024 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12217158)
There's a trend in spoken English language by younger adult people. Words like "mountain" are now pronounced "mow-un"; i.e. the t is silent.

It's called glottalization.

I wish they'd quit it and go back to pronouncing words they way they're spelled.

I think this is common in England, and I think it's also done in (for lack of a better term) ebonics.

If it's a 4 year old, it wouldn't bother me. But if it was someone over the age of 10 or 12...

Rusty Heap 03-21-2024 08:09 AM

Regional accents are different east coast, down south, and west coast.........wonder why that is?.

Try pronouncing some Indian tribe names.........


Native American Tribes List

Ababco. Abenaki/Abnakii. Aberginian. Abihka. Abittibi. Absaroka/Crow. Absentee Shawnee. Accohanoc. ...
Alchedoma. Aleut. Algonquian Family. Algonquin. Allakaweah. Aliklik/Tatavium. Alsea/Alsi. Amacano. ...
Arendahronon. Arikara (Arikaree, Ree) Arivaipa. Arkokisa. Armouchiquois. Arosaguntacook. Ascahcutoner. Assateague.

KFC911 03-21-2024 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12217158)
There's a trend in spoken English language by younger adult people. Words like "mountain" are now pronounced "mow-un"; i.e. the t is silent.

It's called glottalization.

I wish they'd quit it and go back to pronouncing words properly. Now get off my lawn!

Yer prolly right ... dang youngins :D!

911 Rod 03-21-2024 08:20 AM

Or same as spellin in texts. Too lazy to put an e at the end of there (ther) etc.

CurtEgerer 03-21-2024 08:38 AM

I was just conversating with my neighbor yesterday and ..... :rolleyes::D

ckissick 03-21-2024 08:43 AM

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Zeke 03-21-2024 08:50 AM

How did Shakespeare pronounce mt.?

Tidybuoy 03-21-2024 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12217171)
If it's a 4 year old, it wouldn't bother me. But if it was someone over the age of 10 or 12...

I think you need to correct the 4-year-old or the 10–12-year-old's won't know any better.

masraum 03-21-2024 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CurtEgerer (Post 12217209)
I was just conversating with my neighbor yesterday and ..... :rolleyes::D

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pwd72s 03-21-2024 09:18 AM

Old ears combined with rapid fire speech used by young women. Can't count the number of times I've asked a girl who works to phone for a local Opthalmology office to please slow down and try to enunciate clearly.

wdfifteen 03-21-2024 09:22 AM

I brought this up in a thread a few months ago. It seems to be people under 30 or 40 who do it most. It may have started as a regional thing, but it’s nation wide fad now. It doesn’t bother me, but it seems lazy and I hold people who do it in lower regard. They don’t seem like serious people to me.

On the other hand there is a presenter on a podcast “Gastropod” who pronounces “T” very precisely and it is a bit disconcerting. While most of the people I know pronounce “water” with a soft “T” or almost like a “d” and as one syllable, she uses a hard “T” and makes it two syllables.

masraum 03-21-2024 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tidybuoy (Post 12217229)
I think you need to correct the 4-year-old or the 10–12-year-old's won't know any better.

I don't think that's the case. Maybe if they're still at it when they're 6 or 7. But most kids seem to mispronounce a bunch of stuff when they are first learning to speak, I suspect, because they are learning. I think most kids as they get better, hear what folks around them are saying and mimic what they hear. So as long as your pronunciation is correct and they converse with you or others that correctly pronounce, I think most kids self correct. It probably varies some person to person. Some folks are better/more naturally mimic based on hearing than others.

masraum 03-21-2024 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 12217248)
I brought this up in a thread a few months ago. It seems to be people under 30 or 40 who do it most. It may have started as a regional thing, but it’s nation wide fad now. It doesn’t bother me, but it seems lazy and I hold people who do it in lower regard. They don’t seem like serious people to me.

Yep, accents and/or dialect variations of language can/does certainly impact our impression of people.

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On the other hand there is a presenter on a podcast “Gastropod” who pronounces “T” very precisely and it is a bit disconcerting. While most of the people I know pronounce “water” with a soft “T” or almost like a “d” and as one syllable, she uses a hard “T” and makes it two syllables.
Interesting. I occasionally hear that sort of thing. It's interesting. We (the missus) watch a fair number of British shows and occasionally Oz or NZ based stuff, and hearing the differences is interesting to me.

I think Zeke actually has some formal education background in this area and has made an interesting post or two going into some specifics over the years.

stevej37 03-21-2024 09:50 AM

Live by your own shedule.

Amail 03-21-2024 10:01 AM

That's a pet peeve - drives me up the wall. I hear it in field news reporters as well and makes me grit my teeth.

stevej37 03-21-2024 10:03 AM

^^^ They have tight shedules. :D

Zeke 03-21-2024 10:03 AM

I studied linguistics a bit but I'm old and less able to discourse these days. :D

What I don't like is the comeback of "up talk." 50 year olds are doing it. They probably did that in their teens but I think it went out of style for awhile because it slapped an identity on the speaker.

II mean like can you say like Valley Girl^^^^?

HobieMarty 03-21-2024 10:17 AM

I thought it was that new fangled lingo called ebonics?

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Shifter 03-21-2024 10:24 AM

In the NW, U-Haul is a moving truck rental company.

In the south, it is a group of people.

flatbutt 03-21-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12217158)
There's a trend in spoken English language by younger adult people. Words like "mountain" are now pronounced "mow-un"; i.e. the t is silent.

It's called glottalization.

I wish they'd quit it and go back to pronouncing words properly. Now get off my lawn!

So, you've never been to jersey?

KFC911 03-21-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shifter (Post 12217304)
In the NW, U-Haul is a moving truck rental company.

In the south, it is a group of people.

South of where? Around here it's y'all .... a one syllable "yawl" ... with a drawl :D

wdfifteen 03-21-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12217258)
Yep, accents and/or dialect variations of language can/does certainly impact our impression of people.

I don't think this is a dialect. It's an affectation - a fad - that will eventually die out. Like saying, "like" every other word when I was in high school.
Like, do you remember that? It was, like, annoying as hell to our elders.

stevej37 03-21-2024 11:53 AM

^^^ Or guys using the word 'Bro' for every male they see or talk to.

Tired of it Bro. :)

oldE 03-21-2024 12:01 PM

Our granddaughter had excellent diction when she started elementary school. Over the years I have noticed she had picked up the speech patterns of her peers. Not surprising, but it does grate upon my nerves.

Best
Les

Rusty Heap 03-21-2024 12:01 PM

So is it:


Aluminum or Al-u-min-ium

masraum 03-21-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 12217391)
So is it:


Aluminum or Al-u-min-ium

In England (and presumably the rest of the folks on those islands), it's Al you min ee um.

In the US it's Al oo min um

masraum 03-21-2024 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 12217371)
I don't think this is a dialect. It's an affectation - a fad - that will eventually die out. Like saying, "like" every other word when I was in high school.
Like, do you remember that? It was, like, annoying as hell to our elders.

There are still a lot of folks that use "like" as a filler, some to the extreme. I hear adults that use it, sometimes in a professional environment. I occasionally use it, and when I notice, it bugs me.

Zeke 03-21-2024 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 12217384)
^^^ Or guys using the word 'Bro' for every male they see or talk to.

Tired of it Bro. :)

Dude!

stevej37 03-21-2024 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12217469)
Dude!


Yo! :)

porsche930dude 03-21-2024 02:20 PM

Dont know I dont talk to young people. But on the rare occasion that I do Im usually surprised how smart they are. Compared to their parents anyway.

rwest 03-21-2024 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12217424)
There are still a lot of folks that use "like" as a filler, some to the extreme. I hear adults that use it, sometimes in a professional environment. I occasionally use it, and when I notice, it bugs me.

The somewhat latest thing that bugs me to no end and I occasionally catch myself saying it is when someone makes a factual complete sentence and then follows it with “right”

For example: “I adjusted the valves on my car yesterday. Right?”

I hear it on TV all the time.

Bill Douglas 03-21-2024 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 12217605)

For example: “I adjusted the valves on my car yesterday. Right?”

Better than "Like I adjusted the valves on my car."

masraum 03-21-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 12217605)
The somewhat latest thing that bugs me to no end and I occasionally catch myself saying it is when someone makes a factual complete sentence and then follows it with “right”

For example: “I adjusted the valves on my car yesterday. Right?”

I hear it on TV all the time.

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 12217644)
Better than "Like I adjusted the valves on my car."

Like, I adjus-ed the val-es on my car to-ay. Righ-

Bill Douglas 03-21-2024 07:50 PM

That, adding "right" at the end of a sentence is like a friend of mine from East London who often adds "You know what I mean?" to the end of A LOT of sentences. Her sister says it too.

flatbutt 03-22-2024 04:55 AM

I've always had an issue with "gonna" and "wanna".

wdfifteen 03-22-2024 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 12217684)
That, adding "right" at the end of a sentence is like a friend of mine from East London who often adds "You know what I mean?" to the end of A LOT of sentences. Her sister says it too.

Logically, it's asking for an affirmation that they heard you. But it it so automatic with some people that becomes just another affectation.

wdfifteen 03-22-2024 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 12217801)
I've always had an issue with "gonna" and "wanna".

Or calling nuts and bolts "gozontas" and "gozintas." :D


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