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unclebilly 07-12-2024 03:59 AM

‘Who should I agree with?’ - that’s the problem
 
We are living with the ‘who should I agree with?’ generations and this is our problem.

We were having a silly conversation in my truck last night and my daughter and I were arguing about what a world said backwards… her friend who was with us said, ‘who should I agree with?’

I think this stems from ‘the be kind, no matter what’ sentiment. It seems like our kids have and are being taught that it’s more important to be kind and agreeable than to have their own critical thought and make their own decisions.

masraum 07-12-2024 04:11 AM

I think LOTS of folks don't think for themselves and just agree with someone else that's got a strong opinion, often, with the goal of being on the winning side. I think that's why peer pressure is often so effective at getting folks to do stuff that they otherwise wouldn't do. It may have intensified from the past to now where folks are trying to "fit in" more, but I don't think it's anything new. Maybe what's new is that more idiots have strong opinions and those idiots are able to win more, so the lemmings are following idiots more?

KFC911 07-12-2024 04:18 AM

Hmmm.... don't know which of you two idjuts I agree with ... yet ;)

Neither ... do I win :D?

masraum 07-12-2024 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 12282179)
Hmmm.... don't know which of you two idjuts I agree with ... yet ;)

Neither ... do I win :D?

You are now cancelled. No one will be your friend or talk to you.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/529239808/...shuuuuuuuuuun1

unless you change your tune and agree with me

GH85Carrera 07-12-2024 04:48 AM

I agree with the people expounding the facts as I see them on matters of opinion. History is a harder thing to pin down sometimes.

oldE 07-12-2024 05:51 AM

I used to see a quote here from time to time.
"If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything. "
There is more than a bit of truth to that, but it also means one should be prepared to separate fiction from fact. Reality is not always what one wishes.
Trying to impress that upon our granddaughter.

Best
Les

wdfifteen 07-12-2024 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 12282176)
I think this stems from ‘the be kind, no matter what’ sentiment. It seems like our kids have and are being taught that it’s more important to be kind and agreeable than to have their own critical thought and make their own decisions.

You can do both. I don't feel compelled to argue with everyone who has a stupid, uninformed opinion. It's a lot easier, and just as effective, to affect a weak smile and keep my opinion to myself.

HobieMarty 07-12-2024 07:07 AM

These days, it seems to be more about the "likes" than having an original thought.

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cockerpunk 07-12-2024 07:09 AM

we should be more interested in what ideas we agree with, rather than people.

masraum 07-12-2024 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 12282272)
These days, it seems to be more about the "likes" than having an original thought.

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unclebilly 07-12-2024 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12282274)
we should be more interested in what ideas we agree with, rather than people.

^^^ this.

masraum 07-12-2024 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12282274)
we should be more interested in what ideas we agree with, rather than people.

Prime example. I'm far more agreeable with CP's idea above, than I am with CP. :D ;)

pwd72s 07-12-2024 09:24 AM

I've heard that I'm considered an opinionated S.O.B. I prefer to think I reason things through, then decide on a position. (edit) There are also things I have no opinion on because I don't care one way or another. That happened more frequently as I aged...my "give a damn" meter needle creeping towards zero.

KFC911 07-12-2024 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 12282378)
I've heard that I'm considered an opinionated S.O.B. I prefer to think I reason things through, then decide on a position. (edit) There are also things I have no opinion on because I don't care one way or another. That happened more frequently as I aged...my "give a damn" meter needle creeping towards zero.

This post made me happy ... where do I sign up :)?

pwd72s 07-12-2024 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 12282390)
This post made me happy ... where do I sign up :)?

LOL! Just keep breathing. It's likely to happen.

Tervuren 07-12-2024 01:39 PM

Social engineering is a strong part of many curriculums.
There are graded multiple choice bits that give better grades to those that have peer pressure as their decision driver.

Which does make me wonder where much of the internet went with widespread social media, how many were real people, how many were a few people that looked like many? How many are not people at all?
And all, pushing on a US society where those that got the grades and got the decision making jobs are extra suspectable. *
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Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12282177)
I think LOTS of folks don't think for themselves and just agree with someone else that's got a strong opinion, often, with the goal of being on the winning side. I think that's why peer pressure is often so effective at getting folks to do stuff that they otherwise wouldn't do. It may have intensified from the past to now where folks are trying to "fit in" more, but I don't think it's anything new. Maybe what's new is that more idiots have strong opinions and those idiots are able to win more, so the lemmings are following idiots more?


pwd72s 07-12-2024 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 12282550)
Social engineering is a strong part of many curriculums.
There are graded multiple choice bits that give better grades to those that have peer pressure as their decision driver.

Which does make me wonder where much of the internet went with widespread social media, how many were real people, how many were a few people that looked like many? How many are not people at all?
And all, pushing on a US society where those that got the grades and got the decision making jobs are extra suspectable. *
*

Some damned fine questions there...also, why are there social engineering curriculums at all? Should that be the job of the government funded schools?

look 171 07-12-2024 04:30 PM

It all depends like everything else. Then there are those people just like to agrue no matter the topic. Super opinionated they they must be right all the damn time.

sc_rufctr 07-12-2024 04:59 PM

I've always tried to focus on the truth or what has been proven to be true.

Not having an opinion is always an option (I do this often).

Bill Douglas 07-12-2024 05:17 PM

Kids (at my age that's anyone under 25) don't want to be different and feel they need to fit into a certain group. that's one of the reasons influencers do so well. They get paid to say something and the masses say "Words of the wise." and agree with them.

Also it's concern with having the ultra left school teachers brainwashing the young kids and the kids agreeing with them.

LWJ 07-12-2024 05:43 PM

I don't exactly understand the question. Well, maybe I do. Either way, I have made a career in sales. Where, finding common ground is importand as well as not alienating your audience.

I typically work for common ground. I can agree on many many issues with most people. If we are 180 degrees apart on some issues, I find common ground and then work towards where we DO agree.

Which didn't exactly answer your question.

stealthn 07-12-2024 06:38 PM

Yes but we’re Canadians, so sorry about that :D

Por_sha911 07-12-2024 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldE (Post 12282220)
I used to see a quote here from time to time.
"If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything. "

I think the expression is
"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything"

Jeff Alton 07-12-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12282274)
we should be more interested in what ideas we agree with, rather than people.

Very True Words.

Seperate the two.

Cheers


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