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masraum 07-26-2024 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 12292116)
I’m surprised one of them actually lived.

Update, July 24, 2024, 3:00 p.m. EST: Zack Alder, one of the crash victims, is lucid and in good spirits following the crash. In a video posted to TikTok by his sister on Monday, he says he “broke my back, broke both ankles, I have seven broken ribs.” A GoFundMe has been set up for his medical expenses. No further information on the other person involved in the wreck has been released.

https://www.tiktok.com/@emilyalder123/video/7394106334959947051?lang=en
This is supposed to be the driver/owner.
https://youtu.be/FiIbLBsnOUY?si=7dGZtWx5m7ujigvk

masraum 07-26-2024 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ted (Post 12292122)
Looks like the brakes locked up right after the finish line.
Brakes cooled from the long straight.
Initial bite on cold brakes, pad knock back and some brake pull?

Miracle!
I would have thought the ABS would have taken care of the brakes, but I'm sure that at extreme speeds and in less than ideal circumstances anything can happen.

unclebilly 07-26-2024 07:36 PM
Did you see that video, it cartwheeled… holy crap, both lucky to be alive.

Jeff Higgins 07-26-2024 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12291449)
I would definitely want the top up for a top speed run. I'd want the aero benefit, and potentially, the top might help protect your arms some in the event of an issue. But in a violent multiple axis roll like the cab went through, I'm not sure if the top would have helped or hurt.
The owners' manual on my Boxster S states a "do not exceed" speed for when the top is up. The car is apparently only safe at its maximum speed with the top down. I would guess the rag top just flutters too much at speed, and/or disrupts the airflow over the car in a destabilizing manner. Not sure if that is true with 911 cabs, but it is a thing with Boxsters.

masraum 07-26-2024 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 12292161)
The owners' manual on my Boxster S states a "do not exceed" speed for when the top is up. The car is apparently only safe at its maximum speed with the top down. I would guess the rag top just flutters too much at speed, and/or disrupts the airflow over the car in a destabilizing manner. Not sure if that is true with 911 cabs, but it is a thing with Boxsters.
Good to know. It's been years since I read the manual and I'd forgotten that bit. Glad I'm running the hard top, I guess.

Jeff Higgins 07-26-2024 09:24 PM
The right way to go about this kind of stuff, and the right kind of car in which to do it:

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A930Rocket 07-27-2024 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 12292158)
Did you see that video, it cartwheeled… holy crap, both lucky to be alive.
They’re both alive? Amazing.

herr_oberst 07-27-2024 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 12292124)
man that is horrible to watch.
It really is.

herr_oberst 07-27-2024 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 12292190)
The right way to go about this kind of stuff, and the right kind of car in which to do it:
My sentiments exactly. This car has actually crashed on a measured mile run, the owner survived and the car was rebuilt and runs again.

herr_oberst 07-27-2024 04:28 AM
I've been transposing in my head what happened at this event with the launch of the ZR1 that took place all this week. Videos of the engineers and the writers from the motoring press giddily showing off the speed capabilities of the new car and then seeing the footage of how quickly many lives were changed when something goes wrong - and the images of the Porsche driver and his passenger wearing only helmets as protection.

ted 07-27-2024 02:41 PM
Big Red basically a Camaro body wrapped around a tube chassis car.
Professionally run operation.

I felt safer' with a full Autopower roll cage in my 911.
Here is an Autopower customer car years ago.
180/190mph crash and the driver had minor injuries.
I would not take that ride with only helmets in a convertible.
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Jeff Higgins 07-27-2024 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ted (Post 12292522)
Big Red basically a Camaro body wrapped around a tube chassis car.
Professionally run operation.

I felt safer' with a full Autopower roll cage in my 911.
Here is an Autopower customer car years ago.
180/190mph crash and the driver had minor injuries.
I would not take that ride with only helmets in a convertible.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/McJJeukIWSA?si=oQVPrQk-Hlrqoa_J" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Yikes. Gotta wonder if that would have happened had they been running on pavement.

I've seen similar at Bonneville. I wonder if the low traction surface has anything to do with it.

herr_oberst 07-27-2024 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ted (Post 12292522)
B
Professionally run operation.
That's the whole nutshell right there.

ted 07-27-2024 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 12292526)
Yikes. Gotta wonder if that would have happened had they been running on pavement.

I've seen similar at Bonneville. I wonder if the low traction surface has anything to do with it.
El Mirage is a fine silt lake bed, never heard the cause of the accident.
Perhaps rolling/crashing on dirt or salt is more survivable than on asphalt.
Lake track has no elevation changes, no rocks, no trees, no walls.

ted 07-27-2024 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 12292190)
The right way to go about this kind of stuff, and the right kind of car in which to do it:

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on a positive note enjoyed that video.
can't wait till November to race BR again at big willow big bore bash. :)


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