Cool View of Cliff Dwelling Part Two

[Seahawk]

Something went sideways. I will try and fix.

[Seahawk]

This is a very interesting article
https://www.prestonchild.com/books/thunderhead/Cannibals-of-the-Canyon-by-Douglas-Preston;art46,62

The anthropologist who was the primary proponent of cannibalism wrote a book. I'm curious about the book, but unfortunately, I have been unable to get a sense of how it's written. Some of those sorts of texts are written an a way that's very interesting, and some are written so that they are drier than the Atacama desert. I'm not going to spend $35 on a book and then find out that it's a desiccant and anesthesia. I'll just keep reading articles that I find online.

[Seahawk]

I'm still watching. Some cool stuff.
There's a ton of rock art in this one, but no dwellings.


This one is a bit different than the rest.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

Where are all these sites?
Guess he does not want to give details so the masses don't ruin it.
I am impressed that you don't see any vandalism and litter.

https://solotripsandtips.com/indian-ruins-near-flagstaff/

We went to Flagstaff and used it as a hub to visit several sites. The the extinct volcano, the Grand Canyon and other neat sites. You need too be in decent shape to visit some sites as the up and down walking will get your heart pumping.

[Seahawk]

I'm still watching his videos. Every time I see one and think "Wow, this is the most amazing thing that he's found," I see something equally or more amazing in the next video.

I'm watching this one now.
https://youtu.be/PSpOqfkFfoc?si=7wJK9L9G12GQuS55

He found the site because he noticed this circular feature looking at the google earth. He thought "what's the circular feature on the top of that ridge, and then he saw a second similar feature very nearby.

These things are on top of high ridge lines.

I flipped the image counter clockwise 90º to retain more size in the upload to PP. You can see the guy sitting down just to the left (8 o'clock) outside of the circle.



It's crazy, this thing is mostly round, although there is a small indentation in the wall at about 4 o'clock. Then there's the small "storage?" cubby built into the wall at 6 o'clock plus the extra wall that runs from 7 o'clock down and to the left along the edge. Most of the usual stuff that he finds is protected under overhangs (but also elevated up off of the ground. Then the stuff is packed tight with mud to seal the walls. This thing doesn't look like it was ever sealed with mud. It's not as neatly built (stones oriented so the walls are smooth). Very interesting stuff.

The guy climbed up through the small crack at 9 o'clock.

This is the site as he was approaching it.

[Seahawk]

Mas, I don't know what happened. The original thread is in PARF and you can bring the posts here. I can't delete my last post in the original thread.

It is wonderful thread and I apologize.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Mas, I don't know what happened. The original thread is in PARF and you can bring the posts here. I can't delete my last post in the original thread.

It is wonderful thread and I apologize.

No worries.

[thingmon]

Man corn. Coming soon to a roach coach near you… Sorry. Just cheapened a really good thread.

[gregpark]

We worry about getting car jacked but the Indians of yesterday were having they're wives and children killed for food. Burnt skulls found (brains are high in protein) and even evidence of consumed fetuses. Recent DNA tests on Coporlite (ancient human crap) confirm the cannibalism. Hope history doesn't have to repeat itself!

[masraum]

just stumbled across this video. It seems well done. One of the most amazing bits is how this was done by indigenous Americans in antiquity, both the climbing and the building.



This is a follow up to the ^previous^ video. He revisits the site.


The rabbit hole has me. This one is cool too.



Here's a video that the guy made on a multiday hike in the Grand Canyon.



The most impressive set of buildings yet.



Just 2-3 mins into this video is the most well preserved dwelling that I've seen yet where not only are the walls still smooth and coated inside and out with mud, but the outside of the dwelling is even painted including 2 storage rooms complete with their "doors".

Originally Posted by gregpark

And only lately has he been discussing theories on the almost inaccessible and extremely remote locations of the dwellings. These ancient people lived in terror. Evidence points to the fact that they were being hunted down and eaten by cannibalistic tribes. And we think life is hard now

Yeah, many of the dwellings are in extreme locations, and seem to be built to be easily defended. Clearly, there was some crazy sheiße going on for a time.

His discussion/thoughts is one of the things that sets his channel apart from one or two others that I've seen since I started watching his. He does (has done) a fair amount of research into what he's seeing (most of the time), and a lot of what he says seems intelligent and not too far fetched.

Originally Posted by gregpark

Have you checked out the research at the large ancient community of Chaco Canyon in New Mexico? There's a guy who's been studying it for 30 years. He's uncovered Indisputable evidence of cannibalism that was happening for a long period of time. The Indian descendents of the Anasazi dispute the scientific evidence of course (cannibalism is taboo any where on the planet).

This is a very interesting article
https://www.prestonchild.com/books/thunderhead/Cannibals-of-the-Canyon-by-Douglas-Preston;art46,62

The anthropologist who was the primary proponent of cannibalism wrote a book. I'm curious about the book, but unfortunately, I have been unable to get a sense of how it's written. Some of those sorts of texts are written an a way that's very interesting, and some are written so that they are drier than the Atacama desert. I'm not going to spend $35 on a book and then find out that it's a desiccant and anesthesia. I'll just keep reading articles that I find online.

Here’s a video on the chaco canyon anasazi cannibalism (covers much of what’s in the linked article above).

[masraum]

Originally Posted by thingmon

Man corn. Coming soon to a roach coach near you… Sorry. Just cheapened a really good thread.

LMAO!

Originally Posted by gregpark

We worry about getting car jacked but the Indians of yesterday were having they're wives and children killed for food. Burnt skulls found (brains are high in protein) and even evidence of consumed fetuses. Recent DNA tests on Coporlite (ancient human crap) confirm the cannibalism. Hope history doesn't have to repeat itself!

Yeah, crazy stuff. The interesting theory proposed by Turner is that some meso-Americans migrated north and then brought cannibalism to the Anasazi as a method of terroristic control of others. So cannibalism wasn't really a practice of the Anasazi, but was a practice of the folks that came up from the south (where cannibalism, human sacrifice, and mutilation where a regular practice). I guess the theory is that these folks came up and took power and then used their methods as a means of control. Eventually, folks whether the Anasazi or other folks around them or a combination of the above, had enough and the folks that practiced the terroristic control methods were taken down which caused the fall of the society. (what I gathered from what I've read/heard).

[cassisrot]

I visited Mesa Verde back in the 70’s. It was like visiting a Stone Age neighborhood. Their water was 1000 feet straight down the cliff. Hard to imagine what their lives were like.

[cassisrot]

They had round rooms dug about 8 feet in the ground. NPS called them “Kivas” and suggested they were religious in use but of course they were theorizing.