My son " I dont think you are as smart as you think you are "
 

Im really starting to enjoy him experiencing real life , and learning the lessons that he used to redicule me for trying to impart to him .
In his defense, he went to a special school, in which he had 6 people in his classroom. He was more or less coddled, and did whatever he wanted . Since his moms passing, he has been living with relatively wealthy , super liberal relatives.
Great people, and I love and respect them, but their lives, and the lives of their children in no way reflect what a normal middle income working male schlub will have to endure,and the lessons that life will inevitably dish out whether he wants to admit it or not
I remember when I was way smarter than my dad also .

its a good thing to be smarter than your parents. your parents, should want that for you. like that's what success and progress looks like, each generation smarter than the previous one.


i remember the moment i realized i was smarter than my parents.

Yeah, me also , But I was about 10 years too early .

When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

-Mark Twain

I didn't realize how smart my father was until I had my own kids.
Now I have turned into my father.

Personally, I'm surprised I've lived this long. Lord knows I've probably come close to causing my own demise a few dozen times, no matter how much "knowledge" my Elders tried to impart.

That said, I'm either lucky as heck or smart and conniving as heck.

I'm gonna go with "lucky".

I cherish the day when my son was 19 and said to me he realized that a few years earlier I had been giving him good advice (which he rejected), and he had learned since I knew what I had been talking about and he appreciated that I had tried.

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Les

Both my sons are doctors. But, when they need help on their houses or cars they ask for my help. In that instance I am smarter than they are. The rest of the time not so much..

The older I get the smarter my father becomes.

My wife thinks I'm the dumbest person in the world and that I only succeed by luck. I never try to set her straight. Low expectations are easy and fun to surpass.

Timely...

I'm going through a difficult time with my son & we haven't spoken for nearly 6 months (it's really complicated). I've always been close with my two daughters but for some reason my son has become distant in recent years. He has a great job, his own house and a really nice G.F. I really can't see what the problem is!

Hoping for a peaceful Christmas.

When our first child was born, my dad said “get ready for long days and short years”.

Once again, he was right.

That is a wise man.

Hopefully, you can salvage/restore/upgrade your relationship soon!

Yep .... and it'll happen ... just give him time. Good luck!

When I grow up ... I hope to be as dumb as dad was back when I wuz smrat :D

This.

One of my favorite MT quotes. Kinda sums up the growth many of us experience as we age.

I remember when I graduated high school, I agreed with many of my classmates, we were not ignorant kids. Looking back at what I have learned over the years, yea, I was a ignorant teenager.

Just the facts of life like buying a house, maintenance required in plumbing and electrical needs, car and operation of a car and the maintenance on cars. How to do a job like interact with a customer and photograph a wedding or industrial plant.

How to handle money and investments and retirement savings.

I have learned a lot more of the history of the USA and the world, and world wars than I ever wanted to learn in school. Now it is interesting to me.

To meet and have known men that landed on the beach on D-day, and were there during the Siege of Bastogne and hear their accounts first hand. Yea, just getting through life will teach one much more than any school.

Funny. I am still smarter than my Dad. I am also smarter than my son. And he knows it.

But damn. My Son is amazing and talented in ways that I am not. He is an incredible student of life. He sees stuff and learns.

No idea what my point I am trying to make here but my kids are a source of continual amazement. How dumb as well as how amazing they are. And I adore them no matter what.

two things:

1. i think a lot of people are mixing up wisdom and intelligence. they are related, for sure, but they are different too.

2. men esp are known for not really seeing other people as full, other people. we are raised to see the world this way. and often the triggers for the realization that other people are in fact, full fledged other people, with feelings, thoughts and skills of their own, are events like having your own children. its not the only events, but it is one of them.

some things to consider.

Wisdom is the inevitable result of intelligence, given time. What is more often confused is intelligence vs knowledge. I've met many, many people who have managed to amass a good deal of knowledge who remain as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks.

i dont agree.

wisdom is predicting based on inputs, what is the likely output. being smarter than someone is imagining a way to improve that outcome, and making it real.

just because something is a common result, doesn't make someone smart for having predicted it.

I've always contended there is a difference between wisdom and knowledge, but I can see where a low-ish IQ person could have a level of wisdom.

I suppose it would be useful to define the terms wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge before we get into a serious discussion of them.

I should have said that wisdom is one (rather than the) inevitable outcome of intelligence. It certainly isn't the only outcome. And, no, wisdom does not predict common results. Any fool can do that. Wisdom predicts uncommon results that are only predictable to those who have garnered some wisdom. We see this play out every day, wherein one bestowed with wisdom can see the inevitable result, where fools, no matter how obvious, cannot.

And yes, agreed - intelligence is also manifested through improved outcomes, outcomes that "raise the bar". Just about anyone can plod along with average, "acceptable" outcomes, it takes real intelligence to improve.

My real point was the delineation between intelligence and knowledge. The two are often confused. I've been around plenty who are virtual "walking textbooks", real wealths of knowledge, who can endlessly spout data, information, etc. and have absolutely no idea how to apply any of it outside of very wrote, very "canned" situations. If they cannot look up a solution (that someone else has previously developed) they will never solve a problem. Two of the other inevitable results of intelligence are lacking in these people - ingenuity and creativity.

"It ain't got no gas in it..."

That clip is profound wisdom :D

Old soul. He'd learn to adapt to life

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When you're using the term "smart" or "smarter" in the statement above, which of the terms being discussed are you equating that with knowledge or intelligence?


Weird, that never happens! LOL!

One of these days, CP is going to respond with "I completely agree," and when that happens, I'm going to fall out of my chair.

^^^ LOL ... CP would argue with this guy

https://youtu.be/AynXoLjYrKc?si=eXePVTepxiMls1rl

Thank goodness the bot/spammer cleared things up for us.

lol!

The older I am, the better I was. I raised 3 daughters, all are highly intelligent, well educated, and *mostly* on a well organized path to success in life. All 3 thought I was completely useless meat from age 14-18 but suddenly things began to make sense in their 20s.

My oldest is the one who still bucks the system and takes the hard road every time she is given a choice. She has all of my and her mother's foolish genes so she continually makes life a lot harder than it needs to be. Still, she married well has a good job and a house. She could do worse.

I had a Econ professor in college who explained the difference to me:

Smart is knowing the math, the data; Wisdom is knowing how to communicate what you think the data says. Then b willing to adjust.

He made a great living, and I helped in my limited way, in being a communications portal for really, really smart people to get their ideas heard and, more importantly, funded.

Edit: He has another Bon Mot I remember: Smart is knowing how to structure the experiment, wisdom is learning what the experiment really means.

I have not thought of this guy for a decade. What a smart and wise person he was.

Thanks. We're working on it.

I'm going to write those down. I have a great memory for numbers/math, but crap at remembering sayings, quotes, jokes, text.

Excellent! That's the key and great news.

This could be an ongoing thread in itself. I have several influential teachers in mind.

I, like most of the professionals here, had a Hard Ass father (unlike the losers with 2 mommies) who was completely “Old School”, that being said, I learned from his “mistakes” and my older brother’s mistakes.
One thing that I figured out early, fresh out of college, was that actual experience “Trumps” book smarts, and that was one my earliest true education experiences.
I learned very quickly that experience, dealing with a problem was way more valuable than the crap the college professor “taught” and was fortunate enough, to have a Business law professor who, 1)actually owned a few successful businesses and 2), loved teaching others how to be successful . I guess I was weird, when I met a successful person, I wanted to know how they became successful, I wasn’t angry or envious, I asked them what they did to achieve success.

You realize how intelligent and wise your Dad is at that moment you go to call him, and he can no longer answer.

“Knowledge is knowing that tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad”. - Brian O'Driscoll.

I had a girlfriend called Lisa. She thought she was the smartest person on earth, and the duty of us lessor beings was to serve her.

She could quote anything she had ever been told or taught, but was stupid at figuring out anything new. Or anything that she hadn't been shown how to do by someone else.

I said to her a definition of being smart is to make as much money as you can for as little work as possible so therefore you will never be as smart as me :D

You all are discussing "Fluid Reasoning." The hallmark of FR is the ability to figure stuff out without specialized knowledge. Look it up. It is a cool concept. It is completly different from figuring stuff out with specific info. Bill's es GF is a perfect example of the two.