Lear jet Crash in Philly
 

A Lear jet just crashed on take off. Hitting homes in Philadelphia

http://https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/airplane-crash-northeast-philadelphia-cottman-roosevelt-boulevard/4095479/

20 years in aerospace including a lot of weapons testing, that looks like a damn missile.

Lots of videos on X, that’s not an airplane. Very high speed, no lights, on a stable trajectory. It only appears within a few seconds of impact.

They have been giving details of the plane and passengers on board. Apparently a medical transport.

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https://x.com/clownworld_/status/1885491846325166146?s=46

https://x.com/clownworld_/status/1885488410850451842?s=46

https://x.com/resistthems/status/1885484745527574844?s=46

Yeah and Epstein killed himself….

If that’s a plane they were on a kamikaze mission to have that much airspeed and fly that directly to a target a mere 30 seconds after takeoff.

Everything is a conspiracy to you jokers.

medevac flight to mexico with a young girl who had rec'd tx in Philly. 30 seconds after rotation. Good grief...

That area is full of what Philly folks call row homes- duplexes and triplexs. There are probably casualties on the ground.
I'm not a conspiracy freak, but the last two days have been very hard.

Reminds me a bit of the Queens NY crash right after 9-11.

Not a good time.

Airspeed limit is 250 kts under 10,000 ft. That’s way more than 250 kts at impact. Here’s a video of a parking lot with zero debris except for a nicely preserved section of fuselage that’s clearly marked.

https://x.com/az_intel_/status/1885479925055959109?s=46

Or an exploding tire/oxygen bottle in the pax compartment.

Something went very very wrong. But please, lets not set the crazies loose just yet.

Heartbroken for the crew and family.

The problem is that we've learned to not trust anything the legacy media or officialdom says.

This has been quite the surreal event over here in Philly. I'm only a few miles north of the crash site.

That's always what they've been;).

You make a legitimate observation... unless.... on take off they flamed one pp then while pushing the remaining pp up stalled it under power... bet it exceeds the under 10k speed while pointed down under climb power....

No conspiracies.... just another sad accident...

The medical aircraft had four crew , a female patient and her mother on board . RIP to all . Seems like a massive mechanical failure shortly after takeoff . Very sad 😔

Max takeoff weight of a Lear 55 is 21,500 lbs, base empty weight is 13,000 lbs, and air ambulances have a lot of equipment on board, so I doubt they had more than 6,000 lbs of fuel. Likely why they were filed for Branson when their final destination was Tijuana. 1,600 ft just after takeoff, under 250 kts, 6,000 lbs of fuel - I don’t see how that equates to the videos we are seeing of the impact and the large crater left behind in a paved street. I just can’t wrap my head around it.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/cameras-around-philadelphia-capture-moment-plane-crashes/4095724/

Think you're on to something. The second video in the chain linked above has audio, and you can pretty clearly hear full power on at least one engine.
Elevator failure?
Parts scattered everywhere, hopefully they'll find the fdr.

I can see how these videos would lead some to think it looks like a missile. The 2nd one clearly (to my eye) shows an explosion or whatever else would cause a trailing flame like you see.

Yep, then mix in a well earned mistrust of the media and officialdom... But yeah, it was a plane crash.

I would maybe buy a catastrophic structural failure immediately after takeoff or an explosion onboard leading to a total loss of control. Or an intentional act. Regardless there’s nothing normal about this incident, augering in at a nearly vertical angle of attack at full throttle is not how aircraft typically crash.

Agreed, its not typical but neither is stalling on takeoff at 1500 ft, if that's indeed what happened.
Here's a good youtube piece by a very experienced commercial pilot and that's his thought, that for some reason, either pitch or power failure, the a/c stalled and went nosedown with the power on.
There's now at least one fatality on the ground.

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Sure looks to be moving awfully fast for an airplane that stalled at 1600 ft.

Lears are notorious for having no margin for error with regard to how fast you need to react to pp failure.... I'd bet you a week of lunches that's all it was... slow reaction time that led to a stall, then poor proficiency with regard to single engine emergency procedures on the part of the crew. Only thing they could do was ride it into the smoking hole.
Sorry folks this airframe is a magnificent airplane..... until it isn't. Then, it's a snake.

Wild speculation, but it was medical flight, oxygen tank explosion?

If you conspiracy nut jobs are dying for a conspiracy angle... the plane was headed to Mexico... cartel revenge hit in the form of sabotage...

Simple physics.. single engine out... power on stall... we practice for it. It's a thing.
This isn't mysterious.

Yeah, I don't get the conspiracy nonsense.

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Also other med gases. Nitrous? Compressed gases make a big boom.

Yeah, its a very high performance aircraft with all that entails. Actually has a good safety record for what it is. Lose an engine, increase thrust from the remaining, and somehow you stall and wingover with one engine wide open... you're a lawn dart.

I'm the first to bite on a legitimate conspiracy... Ron brown, yup bs circumstances, but not this. This looks like unproficient emergency procedures and por crm. Sometimes a crash is just a crash.

6 passenger ICBM.

When they listed the tail numbers it came back as a 1982 era Learjet.

Don't know if that's a little long in the tooth for a private jet with Mexican registration. How often are inspections to show FAA compliance?

Poor taste... and dark...:D:rolleyes: too soon

Not long in the tooth at all. Compliance is a Mexican federal issue not faa.

This is a departure stall
https://youtu.be/vTQwkKameLg?si=kIZeWa6HMZPyXjsL

Very interesting. Juan is thinking this looks like a spatial disorientation accident (not mechanical).

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Juan also doesn't think it's from a stall. He's right about spatial d being hard to prove.

11000 fpm rate of descent. I don't even want to imagine what it was like in that cabin in the last seconds.

Full power, full auger-in.