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kach22i 06-08-2025 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 12476392)
People talk about sugar addiction. Never thought much about it. Legit?

I think it is a real thing.

I call it the carb rollercoaster, and it is a terrible lifestyle.

https://www.pacehospital.com/roller-coaster-effect-in-diabetes
https://lirp.cdn-website.com/69c0b27...sugar-640w.jpg

Wheat flour is the common carrier for sugar in processed foods.

If you go on a low gluten diet, you are in essence going on a low sugar diet.

One thing you will find when going gluten free is you will not get crazy hungry like a drug addict needing a fix. You will simply slow down like a child's toy with a drained battery. Hunger pains will be replaced with fatigue, and tiredness will be the signal to eat. Best to avoid draining down too far, and eat something light every three hours or so.

If you are working out vigorously you need about twice as much protein. Natural unprocessed protein stays in your bloodstream only 3-4 hours. Fast acting and processed protein powders even a much shorter time.

I would not go big on gluten free breads, treats or beer. The main advantage of going low gluten is going low carb, and substituting one carb for another is a lateral change costing you twice as much.

Things would be much easier if our government didn't subsidize all the wrong foods for our health.

November 3, 2021
PRIMER: Agriculture Subsidies and Their Influence on the Composition of U.S. Food Supply and Consumption
Tara O'Neill Hayes, Katerina Kerska
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/primer-agriculture-subsidies-and-their-influence-on-the-composition-of-u-s-food-supply-and-consumption/
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Executive Summary

The federal government has long subsidized America’s farmers, significantly affecting our food supply and what we eat.

The most highly subsidized crops—corn, soy, wheat, and rice—are the most abundantly produced and most consumed, often in the form of ultra-processed foods.

Sugar is also highly subsidized in the form of indirect price supports that benefit producers and drive-up prices, yet sugar is also widely overconsumed.

Fruits and vegetables, on the other hand, receive relatively little subsidization—and Americans eat much less produce than recommended.


masraum 06-08-2025 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 12477077)
Avoiding sugar requires a lot of discipline. I constantly read labels. We have cold drinks in the squad kitchen, and it is stunning to read that a bottle of Arizona iced tea has more than 30 grams of sugar. 30!!

I used to drink A LOT of sodas. Many, many years ago now, I went cold turkey. Now I drink unsweetened seltzer water. I mostly drink flavored these days, but I'm also happy with unflavored.

masraum 06-08-2025 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 12477536)
If you go on a low gluten diet, you are in essence going on a low sugar diet.

One thing you will find when going gluten free is you will not get crazy hungry like a drug addict needing a fix.

Be careful, many/most gluten free things that are made to mimic glutenful things (breads, cookies, etc...) have MORE sugar than the glutenful counterparts.

gregpark 06-08-2025 10:07 AM

I quit all sugar 6 years ago. Life changer, if people only knew how good you can feel. I was addicted like everyone else but the physical addition only lasted less than a week. Mental addiction can vary if course. To combat arthritis I quit sugar, processed food and breakfast. The doctors i started following said sugar causes inflammation which is the source of arthritic pain. I lost 76lb in 4 months as a side benefit. People thought i was on chemo ha ha. My arthritis is gone completely (that took much longer, almost 5 years) but it's miraculous. I work with my hands and body for a living and had to retire years ago from arthritic pain in my hands and left foot. I dissolved my S corp, stopped paying quick books and lost all employees. It was really hard because I'm a workaholic. Now I'm 70 and feel 35, my energy is through the roof and no more pain. I'm back working again and loving it. It feels like being born again. Sugar negatively affects so many things like vision, hearing, memory and more. Pretty much everything seemingly. Watch you tube podcasts of Robert Lustig and Sten Ekberg among other enlightened doctors

wilnj 06-08-2025 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 12476992)
Yeah, I’m a weak man, who can’t resist sweet things. It hard to not buy cookies, ice cream, etc., when shopping, but if I did, I’d eat them all quickly.


I’ve been really good for the last year and that’s the secret. I only need to have discipline for that <1 hour I’m in the grocery store. If I don’t buy it, I won’t eat it. Now when I need a sugar fix, I slice up an apple and dip it in natural peanut butter. It’s still sugar but less of it and I get some decent fats and fiber too.

stevej37 06-08-2025 11:34 AM

"Sugar. Is addiction real?"



Yes, addiction is very real.
And please quit calling me 'Sugar' :D

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kach22i 06-08-2025 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12477550)
Be careful, many/most gluten free things that are made to mimic glutenful things (breads, cookies, etc...) have MORE sugar than the glutenful counterparts.

Yea that is true.

My barber turned me on to the gluten free thing about 15 years ago. He substituted bread in his lunch sandwiches for gluten free bagles and did not get the same results as me. I still ate carbs, just a lot less of them, just enough to metabolize protien.

Thanks for the video tips gregpark, will be watching those soon.

Ditto on not drinking your calories and staying away from artifical sweetners.

masraum 06-08-2025 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12477593)
I quit all sugar 6 years ago. Life changer, if people only knew how good you can feel. I was addicted like everyone else but the physical addition only lasted less than a week. Mental addiction can vary if course. To combat arthritis I quit sugar, processed food and breakfast. The doctors i started following said sugar causes inflammation which is the source of arthritic pain. I lost 76lb in 4 months as a side benefit. People thought i was on chemo ha ha. My arthritis is gone completely (that took much longer, almost 5 years) but it's miraculous. I work with my hands and body for a living and had to retire years ago from arthritic pain in my hands and left foot. I dissolved my S corp, stopped paying quick books and lost all employees. It was really hard because I'm a workaholic. Now I'm 70 and feel 35, my energy is through the roof and no more pain. I'm back working again and loving it. It feels like being born again. Sugar negatively affects so many things like vision, hearing, memory and more. Pretty much everything seemingly. Watch you tube podcasts of Robert Lustig and Sten Ekberg among other enlightened doctors

Wow, spectacular. Do you know what sort of impact this has been on your cholesterol? Sugar causes inflammation, and I think inflammation increases cholesterol. I suspect that your cholesterol, unless it was always low, has also gone way down.

Evans, Marv 06-08-2025 02:45 PM

I have a real sweet tooth and am prediabetic. I've cut way down on sugar but still have some things ocassionally. I'm to the point where I feel slightly off after I eat something sweet. The best work I can think of is "osco" - a hispanic word meaning uncomfortable or repelled by something. I pledge to do better and almot stop completely. I think I have an inkling as what addicts go through trying to kick something.

gregpark 06-08-2025 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12477732)
Wow, spectacular. Do you know what sort of impact this has been on your cholesterol? Sugar causes inflammation, and I think inflammation increases cholesterol. I suspect that your cholesterol, unless it was always low, has also gone way down.

I don't know, I avoid doctors. The last time I saw a doc was 6 years ago when I had them xray my foot to see if they could fix it. He said it was arthritis and it's just part of getting old and nothing they could do but offer pain drugs. That led me to the internet to search for a cure. The Kaiser doc was wrong, my foot is pain free now

masraum 06-09-2025 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12477897)
I don't know, I avoid doctors. The last time I saw a doc was 6 years ago when I had them xray my foot to see if they could fix it. He said it was arthritis and it's just part of getting old and nothing they could do but offer pain drugs. That led me to the internet to search for a cure. The Kaiser doc was wrong, my foot is pain free now

That's excellent. I wish it was possible to get a decent, cheap home test kit for cholesterol vs having to get the test done in a lab.

vash 06-10-2025 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12477897)
I don't know, I avoid doctors. The last time I saw a doc was 6 years ago when I had them xray my foot to see if they could fix it. He said it was arthritis and it's just part of getting old and nothing they could do but offer pain drugs. That led me to the internet to search for a cure. The Kaiser doc was wrong, my foot is pain free now

gp. you quit sugar...

wait..super impressive, your accomplishment!!

okay...you quit sugar 100%. like you won't eat a piece of teriyaki chicken, or a bbq rib? you won't dip a French fry into ketchup level quit? or you quit sweets..like cupcakes (yum) and cookies?

too add. it seems like my asthma is greatly diminished. weird as eff.

gregpark 06-10-2025 07:50 AM

Yes, I avoid sugar at every turn. No more ketchup, bbq sauce, etc. It was a challenge at first but surprisingly after a few months the thirst was gone. I look at food differently now. I've always heard "eat to live don't live to eat" and it went in one ear out the other. Without consciously trying, I guess I've adopted that way of eating. My tastes for foods I desire has changed a lot too. The thing I noticed right away was no more sugar spikes and crashes. Like every other American I have been a sugar addict my entire life and the ups and downs were just normal. I feel so different full time now. My body and even my mind are so much calmer. It's hard at first and takes commitment but getting off the sugar train is SO worth it.

vash 06-10-2025 08:01 AM

****...I'm making teriyaki chicken tonight. Mirin has sugar.

again..kicking ass dude. I feel great at my level of quitting sugar. your's must be profound.

dad911 06-10-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 12477593)
I quit all sugar 6 years ago. Life changer, if people only knew how good you can feel. I was addicted like everyone else but the physical addition only lasted less than a week. Mental addiction can vary if course. To combat arthritis I quit sugar, processed food and breakfast. The doctors i started following said sugar causes inflammation which is the source of arthritic pain. I lost 76lb in 4 months as a side benefit. People thought i was on chemo ha ha. ......

I cut sugar, carbs and snacks 2 years ago, dropped 55+ lbs, and off of my BP meds. People thought I was taking one of the weight loss meds...... Used to crave chocolate, that craving is gone. Only carbs I eat now are worth it, like homemade bread.

Can't say about arthritis, other that at 63 I feel pretty good. Had knee pain, docs wanted to operate, but I found Glucosamine helped that. My knees used to actually squeak going up stairs, that has stopped.

Why cut out breakfast?

gregpark 06-10-2025 08:54 AM

They call it intermittent fasting. For the first year or so of no sugar I did 18/6 (18 hours of no food, 6 hours as much as I want. According to the enlightened doctors our body's have evolved that way for hundreds of thousands of years. Only until recently have we been able to able to eat all day, every day. The body stores the fat and burns it when needed. Humans sometimes went for days until they killed an animal or found a root to eat. From what I've read, the body only uses 2 sources of food to make energy (mitochondria) : fat and sugar. It burns sugar first and stores the fat. That's why diets don't work unless you cut out the sugar. Now that my body is where I like it I've calmed down on the fasting thing. Now I eat when I'm hungry and I'm never hungry in the morning. I usually feel hungry around 11:30 or so and eat.

Deschodt 06-12-2025 08:54 AM

Sugar addiction is very real and it's harder to quit than it looks...if anything I have more compassion for people with drug addictions now... I tried to quit sugar completely so many times, I do a bang up job for a week or so on willpower, and at one point it's like I have a second brain taking over and erasing the motivation code and rebooting me, and boom, I pounce on sweet stuff again and even "forget" I was trying to cut it out... Very related to stress also (super stressful job) and sometimes it feels uncontrollable in tense moments. Gotta try to go less "cold turkey" and instead reduce intake here and there a little at a time. Thankfully I do not drink much or I'd have liver disease already. Way too fatty as is... I think my #1 weakness is juices, I drink my sugar...

Brian 162 06-12-2025 06:10 PM

I was just at my doctor today. My blood sugar is borderline pre-diabetic. I’m adjusting my diet as best as I can. For me it’s probably hereditary, but I’m adopted so I have no family history. Luckily I’m not overweight and I try to keep fit. We’re keeping an eye on it

vash 06-13-2025 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian 162 (Post 12480374)
I was just at my doctor today. My blood sugar is borderline pre-diabetic. I’m adjusting my diet as best as I can. For me it’s probably hereditary, but I’m adopted so I have no family history. Luckily I’m not overweight and I try to keep fit. We’re keeping an eye on it


my mom's side is diabetic..

I was too. I am no longer. running, eating right. even my doc said it was prob hereditary, but I wanted a moment to take a swing at it my way.

you should ask about a class to take. usually free. and I learned stuff. a lot I had in my mind was wrong.

CurtEgerer 06-13-2025 06:21 AM

For those truly interested in sugar, check out Dr. Robert Lustig. What most don't understand, is that it doesn't matter if you're eating table sugar, a Snickers, a piece of bread, a banana, a potato, a tortilla, a tomato, ice cream or anything else with carbs - it's all sugar once it's metabolized. It causes systemic inflammation and that is the root of nearly all modern disease (stroke, heart attack, cancer, diabetes, etc.) Sugar feeds cancer. Eventually, the food and pharmaceutical industries will be brought to justice and they will make the tobacco industry look like a bunch of choir boys. We've all been on a highly experimental diet never before eaten by humans the last 75 years or so and particularly the last 40.

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