Ineos Grenadier
 

Anyone have one?

Been looking at Broncos, Defenders and Grenadiers as my second/winter vehicle. I’ve driven the Grenadier twice on and off-road, last weekend I drove it on a motocross track in the snow and WOW what a blast. Unbelievably good off-road and all very good components. The biggest thing was not a single rattle or squeak the entire time.

A little pricey, but equal to the Defender and a lot more than the Bronco.
A few things I didn’t like but the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion.



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I would have concerns about INEOS Automotive staying in business. That's a lot of money to drop like a rock. Maybe not off-road enough, but I like the Lexus GX 550 version of the Land Cruiser. Resale value would be solid. For more money, consider a G-wagon. They feel like they're carved out of one big block of lead.

I think they are freaking awesome and would absolutely buy one if I had a need. They are like an old school Land Cruiser, one of the last true SUVs that you can buy new. Also the Defender is an embarrassment to a proud heritage and horribly unreliable, I know several people who bought them new and have subsequently dumped them due to reliability issues.

they are all over Marin County. I love them, but I'm not so much Granadier budgeted these days.

I was going post the same thing regarding the GX550. It is essentially the same as the Toyota Land Cruiser, but curiously, the GX550 is more heavy-duty.

It has a V6 and available 3rd row.

If you are going to drop big bucks on something, why not a low mile Landcruiser? Not the new ones, the last of the 200 series. My concern with the Ineos would be the same one Steve mentioned. What if you end up owning a unicorn from a dead company?

I follow this woman on Insta (Over in the Rover). She has an old 2 door Land Rover she calls Blue T i t. It runs, breaks down, gets fixed, and on and on. I'm pretty sure she did a cross US in an Ineos but I can't find the video. Here is her in the UK with one. She also has done work with James May and Izzy Hammond (daughter of Hamster)

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i thought about getting one, but a friend talked me out of it.
same reason - how long will the company be around.

ok the engine's from a bimmer, but the trim parts are usually the issue.
sanity prevailed and i passed. the mazda might not look as good but it gets me to the mall and back.

I thought it was a BMW I-6

Friend just bought one

I would buy one in a heart beat but the closest dealer to me is about 600 miles. So, same issue I have with Lotus. No thanks.

My 200 Series LC is great.

Agree on them staying around long term

I saw a Grenadier recently at Costco. First time I’ve seen one, and I wasn’t sure if it was a Range Rover, Hyundai or what. I liked it.

Google says it's an in-house engine. From the Lexus website:

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V-6 twin turbo.

N/A in the LandCruiser version, you gotta go hybrid. I'd go Lexus over Toyota if I was in the market.

There's one in my work's parking lot periodically. Oddly, the name on the building is the same. Maybe not that odd. I'm at one of their chemical plants.
Check the corp balance sheet. I would think that business unit would be dropped or spun off, if the EU Ops don't pick up.

They are on big sale out here, because no one wants one.

I like them, Been an older LR fan for years... grew up with them in Africa.

B58 BMW I6, not an engine I want in a car when it comes off warranty....

Cheers

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I have spotted quite a few in NC
This was cruising on the beach by Kill Devil Hills.

Horrible fuel economy though.

There's a dealership in Marin (san Rafael) with attractive leasing on them, like $700/mo or less... It's got a lot of buttons, most of which are not doing much, it has presence, wife was interested but ultimately the truck is not super refined and steers funny.

San Rafael is strange, its relative proximity to SFO and blue collar population/land prices makes it home of all repair centers for $$ brands of thebay area, Ferrari, Maserati, Bentley, Ineos, Lambo, and get this... Pagani !! I have a Pagani repair center down the street from me... Visited it once, amazing cars.. Homeless encampment 1 street away, literally!

I wish I could go to Pagani for service.

Why would travel distance be of concern for you buying a Lotus? You only need to make the one trip to buy the car.

He got a screaming deal on a 2024, which has the twin turbo I-6 BMW power. They did not have a diesel or he would have gotten that.

same issue with Ducati or i would have bought a new one 20 years ago when I wanted a 748. maybe there is one in Buffalo but that’s too far too. We in western NY get screwed. i see lamborghinis and McLarens all over town and know they must be shipping them off to NYC for every service interval. what a pain in the ass

I'm sure there's a performance shop somewhere near Rochester that could handle a Lotus.

My neighbor got tired of shipping his MP4-12C to Dallas and Denver for service so he sold it. Then he found a traveling McLaren mechanic. Since then he’s owned a 570 and now has a 720.

A brand new vehicle with a warranty? No thanks. An Esprit, sure

Some pics from that day



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Amherst is too far?

https://www.lotuswny.com/contact/

doable but a pain since i’m not retired with all the time in the world to mess with car drama. bad enough im at the dealer every few weeks for a brand new truck with one endless issue after the other….no matter how minor it is, it eats into my valuable time causing stress and lowering my productivity

reliability and ease of good service have become a priority to me.

unfortunately most makers today offer neither.

Yours?

From the 2024 GX 550 brochure. Looks like the same engine as the 2026, which isn't BMW.

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Yeah, but he has a Grenadier, not a Lexus. They must have switched to Toyota power for 2025, he may even have a 2023

I was referring to the GX 550.

GX550. - recall- The 2024 Lexus GX 550 has been affected by recalls for two main issues: potential engine failure due to machining debris in the V6 engine, and a software glitch affecting the rear-view camera. A separate issue related to the transmission where it might not fully disengage in neutral was also addressed with a software update.

Ouch. A friend has a 2024. I like it. No issues yet.

Brand new video by the Topher today

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No fwd facing camera. After having one on my truck, I wouldn’t be without. Deal breaker ..now I can stop thinking about these.

The engine debris is becoming a huge issue for Toyota.

Oddly enough one of the these was parked not far from me at the airport so I got a good close up look today.

It has all kinds of tacticool like attachment points on it, even the doors. I can see them attracting some folks.

Just not my cup of tea but its different than a lot of the stuff out there, kind of like a Chinese copy of a LR.

the pics yes, the cars, no ;-) Afriend knew the dealer so we were allowed a tour.

There were some amazing engine details but I was asked not to take pics of those... I am not particularly excited by Paganis in general because I tend to confine my excitement to " cars I can afford" or just about someday - but I walked out genuinely impressed by the quality of design and execution - the shifter alone is a a work of art. Did not like the dash at all - too gaudy for me - but you see where your money went...

On the flip side, I've seen a lot of opened up Ferraris (and more on YT shows recently) and until fairly recently anyway (dunno about the very latest), the pretty body reveals.... an ugly scaffolding structure, shims on every panels to make stuff more or less fit, I was extremely unimpressed by the built quality and methods thereof... Sorry for digressing... We did not lease the grenadier in the end, mostly "steering" felt weird.

Aren't they M-B engines?

Yep, my welding is so poor I might as well use chewed up bubble gum to fasten 2 pieces of metal together and what I've seen looks about on par with my work.