Al Oadea's next Target

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Bye Bye Golden Gate Bridge...

[Stanley]

umm...Am I missing something here?

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Easy to bring down with a plane, highly symbolic, highly visible, it's on the Left coast where no ones looking and where people still feel relativily safe...cause all the action is on the right coast. (now no one will feel safe). Besides it's where Willie Brown holds court...

[widebody911]

Originally posted by tabs
Easy to bring down with a plane, highly symbolic, highly visible, it's on the Left coast where no ones looking and where people still feel relativily safe...cause all the action is on the right coast. (now no one will feel safe). Besides it's where Willie Brown holds court...

...and GWB likes nothing better than to see California take it in the a$$ (no pun intended)

[island911]

A plane!? Why a plane?
I know about the recent warnings, about the possibility Al Qaeda may try more suicide hijackings, but I think these are BS.

Al Qaeda has already done the job on the airline industry, and have had two consecutive failures on pasenger planes. (that we know of)

My money would be on the use of a tanker truck. Much easier to get.
Hmmm, I suppose a cargo plane would be fairly easy to get as well.

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How bout a nice cargo ship....sail it right into San Francisco Bay and detonate a nice Tactical Nuclear weapon that was bought from the ex USSR. Maximum everything...

[Adam]

Sounds like a Clive Cussler novel, Tabs.

Having problems sleeping lately or something?

[Aurel]

The mass murder of many thousands of people in New York City, Washington, D.C., and western Pennsylvania was blamed on Arab terrorists minutes after it happened, yet all the top officials insisted during those tear-stained days that they had no premonition such a monstrous event could even happen.
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Do you understand how those two thoughts do not and cannot co-exist in the same logical space? And if they don't, and you do understand, you also understand that your entire sociopolitical paradigm was shattered that day, because you know 9/11 was the handiwork of the rich manipulators who run our society, a hard-hearted ruse with which to plunder Arab treasures to the robotic applause of the drugged-out and brain-dead American populace.

Not from me, but well written...
The rest is here

Aurel

[pwd72s]

Uh...sure, Aurel, sure...whatever you say.

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[Aurel]

Humm...Is this the freedom of speech you guys are so proud of ? Better start looking at yourself in a mirror...Funny anyways.

Aurel

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since about 1980 , they blame every plane crash on terrorists, until they find otherwise. most of the time they're wrong, on 9/11 they were right.

I think Al Queda took, in a big way, the opportunity to exploit our policy of not confronting hijackers, to do what they asked in order to minimize loss of life. We didn't think they would kill themselves and others as the primary mission. That's now changed.

GW Bush and friends took the the opportunity to use 9/11 as justification, rightly or wrongly (still to be determined), for military adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[CJFusco]

"GW Bush and friends took the the opportunity to use 9/11 as justification, rightly or wrongly (still to be determined), for military adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Whereas I agree with this point, I find it hard to believe the Illuminati-like conspiracy theory that Aurel is putting forth...

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Since 911 the government has tried to find ANY OTHER cause for a plane crash than terrorism.

Americans are the fatted calf...our job is to consume...as such thinking is not required...and the media has responded by dumbing down the American populace with a steady diet of Situation Comedies, Sports and meaningless talk shows with the latest bleach blond bimbo tauting her latest venture.

[350HP930]

No, even before 9/11 our government has tried to blame several cases of aircraft sabbotage as 'accidents' such as flight 800's spontaneously exploding fuel tank.

http://www.twa800.com

And for those who would like to think that bush and company were just passive observers need to keep in mind the extraordinary circumstances that kept field agents from investigating mossouis (sp?) laptop computer before 9/11.

Lets also not forget that the Bush adminstration and the military did create plans for attacking Afganistan and Iraq long before 9/11 occured. How convenient for the Bush regime it was that they got their 'trifecta' as Bush so ineloquently put it.

When agents who are trying to do their jobs to investigate the known threat of terrorists using planes as weapons are thwarted so badly by top agents in washington that they seriously joke that there might be an al-qaeda mole at FBI headquarters something is seriously afoot at the top levels of our government.

In fact that story is so telling I think I will post that one for everyone's amusement.

[350HP930]

Angry FBI agents joked about al Qaeda mole at HQ
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Minneapolis FBI agents who unsuccessfully sought an August 2001 warrant to search flight school student Zacarias Moussaoui's computer did so after learning that Phoenix FBI agents outlined similar concerns about other suspected terrorists in Arizona three weeks earlier. Despite information that suspected al Qaeda terrorists were involved in flight training in two states, the warrant request — coming a month before the September 11 attacks on America — was rejected by FBI officials in Washington for a lack of probable cause.

That decision, according to government sources, so infuriated the Minneapolis agents that they joked among themselves that Osama bin Laden, whose al Qaeda network has been named in the September 11 attacks, must have successfully planted a mole inside the FBI.

The Minneapolis agents arrested Moussaoui in August after questions surfaced about his flight training. The 33-year-old French-Moroccan has since been charged in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that killed at least 3,000 people. He was named by authorities as the 20th hijacker — although he was already in custody at the time of the attacks.

The Phoenix memo, by FBI Agent Kenneth Williams, alerted bureau executives in Washington in July that bin Laden followers were training at an Arizona flight school. He said eight suspected terrorists were training, but senior FBI officials did not follow up on the information.

The decision to reject the Moussaoui warrant was criticized in a 13-page letter to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III from Minneapolis Agent Coleen Rowley, who said senior FBI officials created a "roadblock" to derail the probe. She said the agents were so frustrated by the lack of response by senior officials that they sought to bypass the chain of command and directly notify the CIA — but were reprimanded.

Miss Rowley said that although they were "closest to the action and in the best position to gauge the situation locally," the agents were not allowed to proceed despite the corroborating Phoenix alert and information they had from intelligence officials overseas that Moussaoui was tied to terrorism suspects.

"There was a great deal of frustration expressed on the part of the Minneapolis office toward what they viewed as a less-than-aggressive attitude from headquarters," Miss Rowley said. "The bottom line is that headquarters was the problem."

Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican and senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he was "alarmed" by the Rowley letter. He said if the decisions by senior FBI officials in the Moussaoui probe were an example of how the FBI was investigating terrorism, "We're in grave danger."

"I don't blame agents in Minnesota for wondering if there were unwitting collaborators of Osama bin Laden sitting around at headquarters," Mr. Grassley said. "If field agents committed these egregious errors, they would be facing discipline and relocation. But the double standard of discipline and accountability continues, even though Director Mueller has pledged to me that it was gone."

Mr. Grassley said he had given Miss Rowley written assurance she will be protected and he expected that the FBI would take "no retaliation against" her.

According to the sources, the letter questioned whether the Minneapolis warrant application had been changed by officials in Washington and it suggests that several FBI officials could face possible disciplinary action.

Meanwhile, Sen. Bob Graham and Rep. Porter J. Goss, chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees, said they intended to pursue accusations that FBI senior officials created a "roadblock" that derailed the Moussaoui probe.

Mr. Graham said accusations in the Rowley letter showed a "lack of aggressive follow-through" by FBI officials on concerns that field agents had about flight lessons Moussaoui had taken and his ties to international terrorists. The Florida Democrat said those concerns "deserved to have gotten greater attention."

He said it was "premature" to suggest that senior FBI officials in Washington had obstructed the Moussaoui probe, but there was "a lack of aggressive follow-through." He said the Moussaoui concerns were relevant to the nation's vulnerability and, as a result, "deserved to have gotten greater attention and treatment."

Mr. Goss, Florida Republican, spoke of "a frustration in the field [among FBI agents] that people are not willing to take risks in Washington and don't want the boat rocked in any way, shape or form." He said "there could be a more aggressive pursuit [by the FBI], within the guidelines of the law, of enforcement of the law."

[350HP930]

Here is an interesting follow up to this story. The unnamed agents who thwarted the investigation into Moussaoui and the other 9/11 collaborators have been promoted by the Bush administration to leadership roles in our nation's 'new' reorganized intelligence organizations while people like Rowley who blew the whistle on this fiasco is having to use whistle blower protection laws to keep her job.

What was that someone was saying about the Bush regime not being involved in a conspiracy to allow a major terrorist attack to happen on US soil as a way to further its power and promote a war?

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Originally posted by Aurel
Humm...Is this the freedom of speech you guys are so proud of ? Better start looking at yourself in a mirror...Funny anyways.

Aurel

yes i was excersizing my right to say whatever i want......as you did.
and lighten up francis... means it was meant to be funny

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Saying GW and his cronies were somehow complicent in the 911 attack..is like saying Charles Manson worked for the LAPD.

[350HP930]

Well, its a fact that the Bush administration thwarted a lot of invesigations into Saudi ties to terrorism before 9/11. I will leave it up to up to you to decide if that is the same thing as complicity. It certainly explains why the higher ups in FBI headquarters were so intent on protecting the 9/11 terrorists that were caught before 9/11 and why those people have been rewared since 9/11. If you want to take the blame off of Bush a little you can argue that previous presidents provided the same protection to wealthy Saudis but it was under Bush's command that the **** hit the fan.

How did it happen that the CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency and our other extravagantly funded spooks could neither prevent nor learn in advance about the most deadly attack on America since Pearl Harbor? The answer was as unpleasant as the question. If U.S. intelligence agencies did not see the attack coming it was because they were told not to look. Why? From inside the agencies were obtained statements and documents indicating that the Bush administration blocked key investigations into allegations that top Saudi Arabian royals and some members of the bin Laden family, not just Osama, funded and supported Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7310

http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/nov/07ny5.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/DailyNews/saudi_021126.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/FBI_whistleblowers021219.html