MORE random pics......

[JeremyD]

[Joeaksa]

[imcarthur]

Good one, Joe.

obligatory pic

[kstar]

That's brilliant, Joe!

Pic:

[kstar]

I'm not sure why a grill needs a hemi V8, but this grill has one:

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

I'm not sure why a grill needs a hemi V8

Man card suspension.



Obligatory pic (in the spirit of the "duck and cover" thread):

[kstar]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Man card suspension.


text and image snippage . . .

Jeff - Wouldn't a jet engine grill make a bit more sense, flame-wise?

[VINMAN]

[Craig 930 RS]

Old factories are cool......
Where is that located?

I worked at Boeing Plant 2 in the 1980s - where the B-17s were built 24-7. Cool place.

[robs944]

Originally Posted by Craig 930 RS

Old factories are cool......
Where is that located?

I worked at Boeing Plant 2 in the 1980s - where the B-17s were built 24-7. Cool place.

Looks like Bethlehem Steel in PA

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by Craig 930 RS

Old factories are cool......
Where is that located?

I worked at Boeing Plant 2 in the 1980s - where the B-17s were built 24-7. Cool place.

Bethlehem Steel in Bethelehem PA. Shut down in 1996. I drive down there everyonce in a while. It's so depressing to go by there. Seeing that great plant decaying like that.

[craigster59]

[CJFusco]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Roger Waters in an angry mood these days?

[trader220]

Each time I cross the bridge into NJ I see this ship rotting away and I think what a depressing site.

[Craig 930 RS]

B-52 first rolled out of Plant 2.


B-17 built at Plant 2.

By 1941 Boeing workers were building B-17s at a rapidly increasing rate. Burlap houses and chicken-wire lawns camouflaged the rooftops of Boeing Plant 2 in Seattle so that, from the air, the bomber manufacturing center looked like a quiet suburb.

Roof was camoflaged in WW2:


This is Plant 2 in WW2 - the 5,000 B-17 produced.
A lady I worked with is visible in this picture (I don't recall where:


Save Plant 2:
http://www.airportjournals.com/Display.cfm?varID=0611020
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B17 Factory - The good old days

Interesting camouflage job on the factory roof...some of the best days of US aviation industry.

This is one of the places that won the war"

By Erik Lacitis
Seattle Times staff reporter

MIKE SIEGEL / THE SEATTLE TIMES

Today, the main occupants of Building 2-40 at Boeing are two World War II bombers being restored by volunteers — a B-29 Superfortress, wing seen at left, and a B-17 Flying Fortress. By one estimate, volunteers working on the B-17 since 1991 have spent 100,000 hours on repairs to restore it to a flyable condition.

Boeing employees celebrate the 5,000th B-17 Flying Fortress made at Plant 2 in Seattle during World War II. The B-17 has been called the most famous bomber of the war, a machine-gun-loaded plane that darkened the skies of Germany in its bombing campaigns.

Boeing's Building 2-40 was considered of such strategic importance that during World War II, in case of a Japanese bombing raid on Seattle, its rooftop was camouflaged to look like a suburban neighborhood, complete with fake trees made of board and mesh and clapboard homes with painted rectangles for windows.

Dale Thompson, a volunteer for the Museum of Flight, squats in the portal of a B-29 behind the radio control room. The Boeing B-17 and B-29's were built in this historic building near Boeing Field on the east side of East Marginal Way.

The drab, cavernous building — huge enough to fit eight football fields — now sits silent and mostly empty on Boeing property in the 7700 block of East Marginal Way South.

Driving by the 2-40 Building, a motorist would have no clue of the crucial role it played in World War II, for Boeing and for Seattle.

It is a historic building that is part of a larger complex known as Plant 2. Boeing had planned to demolish the building but has now given it a temporary reprieve. Except for surplus equipment, the building's main occupants today are two World War II bombers being restored by volunteers — a B-29 Superfortress and a B-17 Flying Fortress.

The B-17 has been called the most famous bomber of World War II, a machine-gun-loaded plane with a distinctive clear acrylic glass nose, that darkened the skies of Germany in its bombing campaigns.

The two planes under restoration are owned by the Museum of Flight, and since 2004, Boeing has allowed them to be stored in the building.

When one of the volunteers, Dale Thompson, 65, a retired telephone engineer, walks into the 2-40 Building, he can envision what it must have been like during the war years.

On April 29, 1944, the plant churned out 16 of the B-17s at a time when daily production was a staggering 12 a day. The plant produced 6,981 B-17s, as well as the first three experimental models of the B-29.

At its peak, some 30,000 people, working three shifts a day, riveted together their share of what Franklin D. Roosevelt called the "Arsenal of Democracy." In some departments, nearly half of the employees were women who were part of the country's "Rosie the Riveter" war effort.

"The place just oozes with history," Thompson said. "When we work on the B-29, we do riveting with just one or two people, and that's very loud. I can imagine what it sounded like with 10,000 people per shift. The din must have been humongous."

The plant was considered of such strategic importance that during the war, in case of a Japanese bombing raid on Seattle, its rooftop was camouflaged to look like a suburban neighborhood.




There were fake trees made of board and mesh and held to the roof with wires. There were clapboard homes with painted rectangles for windows. A fake rooftop corner street sign said, "Synthetic St. & Burlap Blvd."

Thompson envisions a portion of the 2-40 Building being kept for posterity.

For the near future, Boeing says that although the 2-40 Building had been scheduled for demolition in 2007, that may not necessarily happen.

Thompson said he understands the economics of demolishing a building no longer needed. But how about keeping a small chunk of it?

"Do we want to drive down East Marginal Way South to show our children and grandchildren a plaque, 'This is where Plant 2 once stood' ... or do we want to be able to show them a piece of history?" he said.

It is an idea supported by Mike Lombardi, Boeing corporate historian.

"I hope that the people of Seattle would see this as a sufficient piece of Seattle history that they would make their desires known," he said.

For now, the B-17 and the B-29 have had their lease at the 2-40 Building extended to the end of 2007.

That's a relief for the volunteers, who have another year not to worry about storing the planes outdoors, where they would be susceptible to corrosion.

Tom Dawson, 81, a retired aeronautical engineer from Normandy Park and restoration manager for the B-29, said volunteers spent 9,000 hours on corrosion repair.

On the B-17, one estimate is that since 1991, volunteers have spent 100,000 hours on repairs to restore the plane into a flyable condition. Boeing has provided hangar space, blueprints, tools and has manufactured parts. The entire B-17 restoration project has been valued at $3.7 million.

The volunteers say they appreciate Boeing's help.

But, they dream, wouldn't it be something if the public could see the planes right where they were manufactured?

For now, the group of volunteers includes those who can remember firsthand the heyday of working inside the 2-40 Building.

One of them is Margaret Berry, 83, of Seattle.

She was a 19-year-old from Waitsburg, Walla Walla County, who decided to help the war effort. She was 5 foot 3 ½ and weighed 118 pounds when she started working the graveyard shift at Plant 2, earning 68 cents an hour.

She proudly remembers getting good ratings from her bosses, and soon moving to the day shift.

"Back then, I had pretty good muscle," she recalled. "I had to use a 25-pound 'squeeze,' which was a 25-pound rivet gun with alligator jaws. The top jaw would hold the rivet in place and the bottom jaw would flatten it out. It was all overhead work.

"I think that's why I received a good rating. My arms didn't get sore. That's because of the work I did in Eastern Washington. I thinned apples in the orchards. Some of the ladders I worked on were 16-foot ladders, and those ladders were quite heavy."

In helping with the restoration, Berry went back to doing a little riveting around the wings.

"It brought back memories," she said. "I realized that Shop 308, where I worked, had to be real close to where I now was doing the work." She pondered the fate of the 2-40 Building.

"It should be kept as a historical building. A lot of people in Seattle don't know that the building has this history," she said. "It's something that Seattle should be proud of. This is where the women were brought to begin working in men's trades.

[rammstein]

Originally Posted by CJFusco

Roger Waters in an angry mood these days?

I went to see him this past summer. It was a cool show- they covered the whole dark side album in the 2nd half. Awesome.

That being said, the policial garbage was too much. Bush supporter or Bush hater, I didn't go to the concert to see that. It detracted from an otherwise cool show.

Random pic:

[onlycafe]

[kstar]

[VINMAN]

The USS United States. I know the plans are to refurb it and make it into some kind of hotel and entertainment complex.

Originally Posted by trader220

Each time I cross the bridge into NJ I see this ship rotting away and I think what a depressing site.

[trader220]

They had a lot of plans for it since it came here 10 years ago nothing gets done