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10-02-2003, 02:58 PM
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 I'll never forget the fall of '92, I was working for a company where the owner gave prayer breakfasts for Dan Quail, license plate of his car said "GOP 92", (assclown), , and all of his managers were moping around after the election saying things like, "better sell my house now, while I can".  Then of course these idiots, (as well as the rest of us), were subject to 8 years of the best economy since the invention of fire, poor bastards! I sincerely hope that they sold their houses and invested the proceeds in a company that Bush Jr. was running! Just can't please some people, so no use trying. 
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Once again . . . Huh!?
Is there a point in there somewhere? Was Dan Quail not part of the GOP in 1992? Or are you saying people with vanity plates are assclowns?
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Can anyone tell me the correlation between the president in office or even the ruling party in the Legislative Branch and the state of the economy?
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10-02-2003, 04:04 PM
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 I always thought that he should have worn a beanie w/ a propeller when he drove that car.
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10-02-2003, 04:06 PM
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The current president has spent his way into a $500 billion deficit, with the permission of a worthless, "yes sir" congress, (controlled by his party), and waged an illegal war, (hey, it's just a technicality), , to apparently avenge his father's last election loss. Basically a several $100 billion cage match between George, "The Texas Executioner" Bush, and Saddam, "The Butcher of Bagdad" Hussein, your kids' kids will pick up the tab. No worries.
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10-02-2003, 04:13 PM
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Personally, I don't think it's quite so easy. Jürgen |
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10-02-2003, 05:30 PM
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10-02-2003, 06:22 PM
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Of all the many ways I can choose to waste my time, wet-dreaming in a circle jerk of images about how poorly Al Gore would have guided this country over the last three years would be about, oh, last. G Bush is the president; it is no dream, however "nightmare" crosses my mind every now and again.
Before Sept. 11, Bush was a shapeless blob of a president. And after the attack, this nation would have taken to heart any leader who was unfortunate enough to be in office at that disasterous time. For a week or two afterward, the nation was in the palm of GW's hand. Americans were in need of direction and leadership, and we would have done just about anything asked of us. And what were we directed to do, as a nation under attack, in time of crisis? Why, shop, of course! I remember it well! Yes, if you were planning on buying a new car before 9-11, go ahead and buy it! That new house? Yes, don't delay that closing! In other words, carry on as if nothing had happened. That was the general urging, to the point that consumerism was equated to patriotism. So let me paraphrase, steal and plagurize some infamous words, and see how well they work.... I think what we had then was a little social concern in the nation. The republicans, and all Americans to some degree, were very desirous that George Bush do well. There was a little hope invested in Bush, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of the nation that he didn't deserve. Ed |
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10-02-2003, 07:31 PM
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Well said Lynn. Unfortunately, it is easier said than done to pull back and start acting with conviction instead of just politically. I don't see the descending spiral stopping anytime soon. I will not be at all surprised if GW is impeached. I also won't be surprised if whoever we get as Gov out here in CA is subject to an instant recall attempt, though it will fail.
The nastiness of our politicians is completely out of hand. I just don't know what we can do about it.
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2.Amen....I said the USA is the "fatted calf" It's our job to be the consumers in the world. The response of the our government let alone the world right after 911 was..."Oh no they've stopped spending, what are we going to do now?" get it ...if the USA consumer stops spending, the economy tanks...collapses.....Terrorism puts fear into consumers...and they STOP BUYING.....they start to think maybe I should put something away for a rainy day? There are getting to be very few people who can remember the Great Depression of the 30's....it's been Prosperous economic times for the USA since the end of WW2 ( CYA time yeah we had our ups and downs). It's been so long since we've had hard times that nobody can believe or remember what it was like or that it can happen again. Thats why I have been pointing the finger of doom and gloom by saying the that 911 was a close call. Everybody who is complaining about how lousy the economy is and blaming Bush oughta start thinking that it ain't Bush it's the slam that we took from 911. $200,000,000,000.00 worth. What have been the tried and true remedies by both political parties in the past 50 years for recessions 1. Increased Govt. spending...to provide fisical stimulus 2. Lower Interest rates....to provide fisical stimlus 3. Go to war....always boosted the economy before 4. Cut Taxes... actually by cutting taxes your providing an enviroment where investing over spending is rewarded. The USA since the 1960's has rewarded spending over saving. If anyone wants to look at the Stock Market...it hit the low in October of 2002...after the Midterm election where the Repblican Party won UNPRECEDENTED victory for a party in office. The Stock Market staarted to climb. Worries over Iraq caused it to pause until March when we invaded Iraq and it's been in a Bullish mode ever since....Both events were where conflicts or uncertainity was resolved and a course of action was decided. The Stock Market hascontinued to be Bullish as the economy is on the mend, and the war on Terrorism seems to be going well. Yet if a 911 event takes place in the USA all bets are off, and if a series of events on the scale of 911 takes place the economy is cooked... Also if the leadership in the USA seems to falter in it's resolve things will fall apart.... That is how we can LOSE the war. Now the question arises are U going to worry about the Civil Rights of an Al Oadea member in Gitmo, an illegal war in Iraq or are you going to worry if your family is going to be eating out of a garbage can in the next 10 years? Liberal people really better sit down and think about what I said about not remembering hard times and their altruistic value system, and should decide which is more important to them. That is really what I have been trying to get at all along. |
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10-03-2003, 11:28 AM
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Hardly incomaptiable.....Regan the Great did it.....Lowered taxes and increased spending....
Refi's are only the tip of the iceberg as to what low interest rates do...Business can borrow cheap to keep afloat, invest in capital equipment etc.... Largely true...but jobs are created to replace stuff that used up and to buy new higher tech items as they come on line. Jobs are usually a lagging indicator in recovery from recissions. What you don't want to reward hard work....success. If you don't reward hard work why work? Join a Uniion! It's those successfull guys who HIRE YOU to work for them. But with your left leaning attitude I can see why a business man would want to hire overseas..they are gratefull for the work. Don't you get it...The American worker is OVERPAID in comparison to the rest of the world and as competition arises an adjustment has begun to be made in pay scales. Further government regs add such a tremdous cost to creating jobs is it any wonder so many companies opt to go overseas. Liberals can't have it both ways something's got to give...and so far it's your job. |
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Interesting study I saw recently, (wish like hell I could remember where and reference it, from a fairly respected economic source if memory serves), whereby they polled middle income people about what they planned on doing w/ their Bush tax cut. By a huge majority they replied, "use it to pay down credit card debt, if any thing left after food". Not one single person planned on investing in the economy, creating jobs, etc., blah, blah, blah.....
So the net effect would be to replace private debt with public debt. GENIUS!! I have news for any talk radio fans out there: If it is our money that the govt. collects in taxes, then it is our debt that Bush is running up as well. And there is a much greater than 1:1 ratio between taxes cut now and debt later, it's called interest. In the $billions. No problem though, our kids will deal w/ it.
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Re: Tax Cut. ..
More than the "dollar-value" of the tax cut is the value of a changing trend. When taxation rates and methods reach a precieved absurdity point, people bail. This is what started to happen. People had been dropping out of, or circumventing, the tax system in record numbers. Even the maffia would know not to "ask" for too much. Making the argument that "such a small amount doesn't really matter" entirely misses the bigger picture of the direction that the taxation trend is going. THAT is huge! It also says, even at 300bux/per, that the econmy will be better served with millions of little, personal decisions, rather than one senetors pork-barrel "study". . . .I know this responsible trend change gives me hope. Aside: Of COURSE the little guy who got $300 bux isn't going to hire someone . .. but I will say, paying down personal debt IS generally the best investment the "little guy" can make. Re: net effect .. You're worried about a red-herring. Understand something; if a nation of babyboomers (for example) all save their $'s for retirement (say-stuff it in their mattress) then the effect will be less money in circulation. (read: deflation, or stagnation . . .low TVM (time value of money-interest rates). Upon retiring, money gets pulled out of the matteress, and put back into circulation. The effect is just the same as printing up a whole bunch of new bills (read: inflation, and what you thought was a reasonable savings won't buy squat)
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Labor is so evil, right? Unless you are a member of the original Lucky Sperm club from 100 years or so ago, your sorry ass would have been working in a sweathshop as soon as you were potty trained. Like the people to whom our manufacturing was sent. You'd be drinking water infested with who-knows-what, as your factory dumped it's waste in the river/ocean; in your perfect world, there wouldn't be any "tree hunggers" to tell them not to. Like they do in the countries where our manufacturing was sent. You're standing on the socio-economic shoulders of giants and don't even realize it. It's the 'overpaid' workers that are buying the stuff that you 'businessmen' sell. You expect people to continue buying cars and computers and real estate - with what if you lay them all off? Yeah, I remember 'Reagan The Great' - the warm reality of 'trickle down' was the poor fit of his Depends.
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He seem pretty normal, to me. 
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