I may be for sure...

I'll PM you.

Albert, did you get me PM?

Quote #2 may explain quote #1.

Oh man...Record Delta brakes are such jewlry.....mmmmm. As for me I am switching to a Giant DH Comp for the next DH season...goodbye Kona.

The Peugeot isn't what I broke, friend. That bike was fairly strong to my recollection.

my favorite road frame was a simple Specialized Allez, did very well on it and it just had a great feel from crits to long stage races. Although my favorite TT bike was the Aegis.

My fav was a old late 80's Motobecane Grand Record with Reynolds 531

If I need another friend, I'll get a dog. You were dishing out advice on frames to somebody and mention that you've broken carbon frames. Then later (in a different thread) post that you havent ridden a carbon frame in twenty years. Just sort of pegged my B.S. meter. No big deal... happens all the time on the O.T. forum.

I also suspect that those pictures of smitty doing D.H. are photoshopped.

yep you got me...how did you know? SmileWavy

I met you in person... no way a face that pretty does downhill. :D

Smitty.. you see many old frames for sale overseas? I'm alway suprised how tough it is to find 'vintage' stuff here. I suspect there's a lot of really cool stuff sitting in garages and basements. I've been on the lookout for an older cyclocross frame to build up... haven't seen a lot of good candidates.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167060423.jpg

this is actually a very flat bit of singletrack that I rotated to appear as a DH run, and the bike is really a Kona Stinky Jr since I am only 4' 11" and I tell people I am 6' 2".

ha ha Merry Christmas fellas. SmileWavy

I do see some nice frames around, problem is the euro guys keep them and know what they have. :)

If I see a good deal I will let you know.

I took a nice ride this morning to make room for this evenings turkey dinner and champagne!


So-cal Singletrack (see the brown leaves, we have seasons:p )http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167081964.jpg

my accomplicehttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167082064.jpg

she's got purdy weldshttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167082095.jpg

Did I advise anyone not to get carbon? Did I not say I broke carbon and steel? Oiy! You seem to have a comprehension problem. I don't think I said, "Don't get carbon!" I never said "Carbon is the only frame material that breaks."

The last time I rode extensively carbon - as in owned - 1987. There's been a few since then, for about a half-year's time.

And did I not say I haven't ridden many bikes in the last twenty years? That includes later carbon which wasn't as solid to me as the old Peugeot. I did not say "all" later carbon is flimsy.

As far as getting a dog, you should do it. Bikes aside, you'll at least have something to ride when you finish exciting yourself with your B.S. meter.

No big deal...happens all the time.

SmileWavy

Have fun stopping w/ those Campy Delta brakes, Erik-- I've heard they are horrible compared w/ any good dual pivot brake.

Yeah I know they are not that great .. but they are sexy and they are period correct for the frame so... I'll make do my racing high speed low drag days are over anyhow now it's all for fun so they will be fine for my intended use. :) but you are correct compared to the stuff we can get today they SUCK! :) ahahaha

-EM

I like classic and retro bikes. I'm a big steel fan. Here is my Shogun single speed: Lugged Chromo, UniGlide rear hub respaced for proper chainline. The stem and bars definately are not period correct, and are a tad high but they are comfortable. I can't stand riding on the platforms but this is a commuter, so they do have their benefits. Sometimes I do take this bike on longer 30-50mi rides, but much less now that I have a more "proper" road bike again.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167179963.jpg


Here's the newer steed: Full 105, Speedplay Frogs, True Temper frame w/ Ritchey drop outs, Profile CF fork, Mavics, Selle Italia seat. It came as a triple but I really don't use the small ring even w/ a tall cassette. I'm thinking of putting on a double, but on those long rides on cold days, sometimes the little ring is handy.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1167180964.jpg

If its 60cm and handmade in Italy, i'll certainly consider it.

no, but you did say Ti was "noodly" or some such crap. Maybe you were drunk when you posted? ;)

Frame material is one part of the equation. I can design a frame out of any material that will be stiff is a board, or flexy like a flier (Alan anyone?). Devil is in the details.

I still maintain that under my 6'1" 175# body, my 61.5cm Moots VaMoots was the all around best road bike I ever road. The Rivendell was sweet too, but not such a scalpel. The carbon bikes I rode (admittedly back in the 80's and 90's) left me unimpressed, and more importantly, didn't inspire me to ride.

Eric those are some nice rides!

Favorite frame? That would be what ever bike I am currently riding which can chnage at any time.

Currently it is an S works Roubaix and a R3.

Thanks Dane..
The PX-10 Peugeot and Colnago Master are not mine just bikes I love the look of.
The two Concorde frames are mine.. I think they will be killer once I am done with them.

My last road bike was a Trek 2300 carbon with alumimum lugs, fork, and rear triangle. It was a good bike but worlds different than the LandShark crit bike I rode b4. I have a couple friends who still ride and they swear that the new carbon bikes are worlds different (better) today.

The 3rd Cervelo that rdane posted looks sweet - and expensive...

The new carbon bikes are incredible. The two frames I am riding had won races in the '06 pro peleton.

There is a big difference between a Pro level bike and the typical road bike these days if my experience are any indication. Extremely LWT and also incredibly stiff while still offering a comfortable/compliant ride that is hard to believe.

Durability? I don't think there is any question that the carbon bikes are "durable enough". Rides like Paris/Roubaix pretty silenced that criticism. I took one of my carbon frames on a 30 mile downhill section of a local adventure race (and the only road bike frame there) and easily finished in the top 20, no worse for the wear.

Big difference in price and ride between my Roubaix Pro and the S Works Roubaix. Kinda like the difference between Mazda Miata and a Cayman S :)

The R3 I'm riding now is by far one of the the stiffest frames available and one of the lightest at under under 900g. Pretty easy to build a sub 15# bike when you are starting with a 2# frame.

Cool thing about the bike industry is you really can by all the technology that the Pros are currently using. Kinda like getting to buy one of the new Porsche LM Spyders for use on your local track!

Dane, I need this put into terms I can relate to.

How many pistols are those worth? ;)

Funny guy...about the same as a nice set of Fuchs ;)

Retail on the R3 is $2800 and Roubaix is $3300 this year. That is just for the frame/fork/seatpost combo not something you can actaully ride out the store. But does anyone actually pay retail? No way I would for bike parts. 1/2 retail is more the going rate.

I figure since my last road frame, (a steel Peugeot) lasted me 28 years with the obvious discounts these are money well spent :)

Forgot...we have had power back now for 72hrs...when did you get your's back on?

crazy machine. crazier price tag.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pinarello-Montello-Time-Trial-Zipp-Z-99-SRM-Durace-10_W0QQitemZ160066648558QQihZ006QQcategoryZ98084QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Wow. I feel like a bum for riding mine on the trainer in the basement. At least with this weather I'm on it at all...

Well here she is so far.....
 

I sold my deltas and reallocated the cash towards more C- Record kit.. deltas don't stop all that well anyhow andthe price I was given for them was too good to pass up. 1st Gen C- Record stuff is bring BIG money it's like real RS/RSR stuff :) i replaced them with some used Record single pivot stoppers.
I have NOS C- record shifters and front D as well as a seat post on the way. I also have a solid white San Marco saddle that will be going on it. I am having a new wheel set built up from NOS C-record 7 spd hubs on Campy Omega hoops all for the cash I got for the deltas!!!!
I have some good ole classic deep drop Cinelli mod 66/44 on there.

Here she is so far she'll look SO MUCH better once the period correct wheel set is on there with black wheels and not the nasty yellow Vittorias.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168046950.jpg

yep!
 

You know it's good when KING Kelly rode one!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that frame made by a fellow Pelican?

jtkkz's brothers make them up in santa rosa, ca.

I finally moved into the 21st century and bought a new bike. Here's my early 90's Rockhopper with street tires and toe clip pedals (for use as a pit bike) and my new GF Paragon. I made a few changes before picking it up like 180mm XT cranks, 11-23T cassette (cause Houston is fffflllaaattt, except for ravines), and a Pop-loc. Even with the front suspension and 29" tires it's 2-3 lbs lighter.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168128460.jpg

This second pic is my old road bike with Campy super record. Note the hand stitched leather bar wrap! It's pretty much relagated to art.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168128489.jpg

with no snow we are still hitting the local trails.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1168129677.jpg

SmileWavy

Nice Old rig you have there!!! I love the old bikes!

Man I wish I could join you Smitty........ but I think I have lost the skills. :)

I'll stick to the road from now on.:)

Here is my bike as of today..... I have run some of the cable sheathing ( haven't cut the rear yet ) and all but not the cables...it's still not done but getting there. I still need the front D, seatpost,chain & freewheel to get in. Everyday I get a little closer.


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I just found out my old Peugeot carbon fiber is a tad bit rare. A bike shop owner I described it to suggested it as the bicycle equivalent of the Renault R5 Turbo. I don't know about that, but I do know it weighs 18 lbs., which isn't bad for a 1986 bicycle.

It looks like this, except the brake cables aren't exposed, and the brake hoods are black:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/peugeotshow/images/1986_2.jpg

Thank goodness I didn't sell this as I planned. I think I'll instead restore it. SmileWavy

yeah Eric I wish you were here bro. On your raod bike, this may be just me but I would shorten the housing on the rear brake. You may find that the bend at the seatpost is too great and the resistance can cause the caliper to push to the side. =o) The bike looks great! Look pedals?

Yeah I'd love to hit the roads there on the road bike maybe shoot over to the black forrest area and ride those hills!
I have not trimmed the rear housing yet...I just routed it through the frame. yeah the pedals are some old crap i have sitting around.. I have a newer set of Dura Ace I like much better. They are smaller and they do not have the sweet purple color ;) hahaha! but i haven't been able to find them in my piles of bike junk yet they may be in the hidden some place. Do you still have your road rig?






dd74,
Yeah I knew you had a rare bike from the moment you mentioned what it was.. that's why I was trying to figure out it was really a carbone Peugeot. You should keep it and ride it on nice days;) I would have bought it in a SCOND! if it were my size i tried to get the wife to say she'd ride it but no go she doesn't seem to like race bike riding positions
I am glad you love the bike again!! fix'er up!!


EM

get a pic of that bad ole boy for us!!!!

no Eric I sold the Allez as it was just about 2cm too small...need a 60. I will be looking to get another road bike in a year or so, have to get through the move and family issue first.