Building a Rifle
 

This weekend I headed on down to the Shot Show at the Convention center here in LV. Total candy store for gun lovers.
I went expressly to see some of the manufactureres of custom Tactical Rifles. I looked at H&S Precision Shootings new FBI Tactical rifle for $4500. It comes with a complete kit of accessories from carrying case to torque wrench. It's 308 in caliber and features the new Leupold 10X Tactical scope. Very nice.

Those FBI & SWAT rifles are pretty cool.

I once downloaded a video of the USMC SASSR demonstration.

They were using a Barrett Light .50 and blowing nice holes in things like manhole covers, tractor cleats, armoured glass (which caught fire) and a bank vault. It was pretty cool.

I found it on www.biggerhammer.net :cool: Don't know if it's still there.

Somebody please explain why people love guns to me. I grew up in Montana and hunted until age 18. Now, I just don't get it. Even hunting with a rifle seems ridculous to me. Bow and arrow I can understand.

Collecting guns and not even shooting them? What's that all about?

I do believe that guns don't kill people, people do. I live an hour south of LA, have traveled around the world, and have never, ever in my 41 years had a situation where I needed a gun.

They represent nothing but violence and the worst of humanity to me. Taken a step further, they represent the death-making that makes war such a repulsive display of force.

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ya know, i cant explain gun loving either. but i love them. i have just a few i use for hunting. and to tell you the truth, either i am a schitty hunter, or have the worst luck, i typically come back empty handed. i go just to donate money for the enviornment (in the form of hunting fees) and to hike my A$$ off with my healthy S.W.A.T. brother, with legs and lungs of steel. i dont understand the collection of automatics, but i bet there are some that dont understand why i dump alot of money into a 30yearoldcar. or why anyonew would like to rip around a racetrack on a 250cc two stroke wearing a onepiece leather outfit. haha,( i know why i dont, i am too slow) and tabs, H&S? you mean H&K? i guess to each their own.

Richard,

The videos hosted at www.biggerhammer.net are the very embodiment of your last comments above. Mostly, a bunch of wierd guys getting together and immolating some scenery with insanely powerful weapons. I guess it's human nature to get a thrill out of pointing at something, pulling the trigger and seeing instant results.

We don't have CCW permits here in Australia and most of our guns are outlawed, because we once had a lunatic kill 35 people in a shooting rampage (I believe it's still the worst recorded) and as a result, it's now very difficult to own a gun. I used to be a sporting shooter (I was a member of a pistol club), but it's so hard now, the effort expended to own or operate a gun outweighs the enjoyment of using one. I gave up years ago.

Guns have only been around a couple hundred years... versus tens of thousands of years for humans, so I'm not sure if "human nature" explains it. Prior to guns, it was all about whacking animals with sticks and swords, for the purpose of eating them (survival).

but guns have taken the intimacy out of hurting/killing another. i probably dont know what i am talking about, but i am positive it takes alot more "whatever" to walk up to someone and stab them. or maybe human nature changed.

I've established a pretty liberal image on this board - but I've got a safe full 'o guns myself. Mainly guns, no handguns - the odd rifle or six. Belgian Brownings, LC Smiths, 308 Norma mags - light kinda stuff.

Used to do a lot of upland hunting but have gotten away from it since my Brittany went to doggy heaven. No fun in bird hunting without a good partner and a great dog.

There is something compelling and attractive about guns in almost the same way as cars. I don't generally get caught up in the negative images they represent like Motion observes, but I do not adhere to the "guns don't kill people..." school of thought.

Think about this sorta general info Motion:

Canada has like 1% of the gun related murder rate of the US - yet we have around the same number of guns per capita as the US. Of course hand guns vs. long guns is probably a huge variable.

...have you NEVER played BF1942?

Hey Tabs,

Try Richard's Micro-fit gunstocks
http://rifle-stocks.com/

Sounds like a nice set-up. I have a M95 Large ring Mauser, .308 w/Douglas barrel.

Tabs,

HS Precision makes a nice tactical rifle. Now, we see tacticals coming from DPMS, Sako, etc. I like the 308 due to its inherent accuracy and low recoil. But, when you want to reach way out there, something in the magnums is nice. But, with a range compesating scope, the 308 works great. I have had an M 1A National Match for years. It is still shocking to me how a semiauto with iron sights can be such an accurate weapon. Absolutely a kick. My $0.02.
Troy

Tabs, how did you get in SHOT? Are you a FFL? Man, I wish I could have gone.

If you want a kick ass rifle, call Ted Yost and have him build you a scout.

http://yost-bonitz.com/

http://yost-bonitz.com/images/Scout1.jpg

I been driving for 30 years now. Never had an opportunity to need a seatbelt yet. Still buckle up everytime I get in though .... same reason I keep a couple of loaded weapons nearby that I hope to never use.

Purrybonker,

I play lots of BF42 and Desert Combat. Talk about fun! Try Call of Duty and the upcoming Far Cry for more of the same, only better.

BF1942 online is flat crazy addicting. I waste too many hours playing that stupid game. ;)

I am soooo addicted to that game I'm close at communicating with real people going F7...F5. F2...F5 :D :D




Regarding guns; I like them. Always been fascinated by guns. I like target shooting and own guns too. Shooting animals is something I would never do. I like animals and see no reason to kill them for fun (I'd much rather hunt unarmed convicted criminals let loose in a "hunting area") Muahahahahahah. Yeah I'm a sick loonie :rolleyes:


Why are people into guns? I don't know? Why do some people collect bottle caps? I don't know that either?

Mikkel: I'm "Bonker (cdn)" on BF - hang out too much on Stalingrad & Phillipines keep your eyes open for me (F1, F1).

My neighbor's business is selling & setting up booths at conventions. I got into the Shot Show for free because of him. I als

Every human being has the potential for violence within. It takes acknowledgement of that potential to keep it in check. Many times I see anti-gun people being afraid of that potential for violence within themselves. They then project that fear onto the rest of the world.

Guns are inanimate objects, they have no will of themselves. If a gun is lying on a table and no human being moves it, it will still be lying on the table a 100 years from now. It takes the WILL of a human being to pick up and pull the trigger. NOw are guns more efficient than a bow and arrow, knife or club. The answer is yes it is, it is also more impersonal, in that you can be at a distance and still kill or wound. Guns have been a great equalizer between the physically weak and the strong.

Politically and socially guns give people the means to resist. To take guns away is another road block removed for those who would dominate.

Sorry, but in my mind there's no difference between a gun and say, a nuclear bomb. They are both designed for the same purpose.

When I look at my son, I see the beauty of human life. A gun's design and use is to violently destroy a human life.

You may argue that your use of guns is not like this... but the fact remains that that is what guns were made to do.

not all guns were designed to harm human or any other lifeforms. i saw a program on television, were they took a rail gun, a really big gun that moves a bullet at unbelievable speeds. i dont know how fast, but the units were kilometers per second. the purpose was to hit capsules (the target) filled with everyday stuff, seawater, water, oxygen, etc, with this hypersonic bullet to simulate an asteroid hitting earth at a low trajectory. they were studying the effects the extremes pressures were doing at the atomic level to see if earth could survive the big hit.

Tell that to the rancher with his mini 14 as he's going after the pack going after his livestock...A gun is a tool. Not bad, not good...just a tool that can be used for good or used for evil...

OK thats the choich you've made. However what I don't like about the Gun Controlers is that they want to make the CHOICH FOR YOU. They want to take something away from YOU and not just me. YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

why love gun? because skeet is like crack! can't shoot the clay pigeon w/out a shotgun. PULL! (sporting clays rocks too)

joe 68 L

Reinhart Fajen for a stock.

Reasons for Gun Ownership
 

Over twenty in the Seabees, Dad a Marine. I probably have a far greater chance of getting waxed in my early T. Unfortunatly, if you have had the "pleasure" of facing a burgler in your house armed or otherwise, it changes your whole perspective. And with all respect for the police, they will not be there when it is "Brass Tacks" time. The rough part is afterwards, you never feel secure, but at least you and your wife and kids are still breathing.

Rifles and pistols are everything that one can fear, but for the crook, well, they do not want to work that hard. For those opposed to gun ownership, don't own one, but don't leave me without the right to choose.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...s/beerchug.gif

I am a huge Medal of Honor fiend. I prefer the missionary download as it makes cheating alot more difficult. I am trying to get used to Call of Duty, but get owned everytime I go online. I have 1942 but it doesn't run real smooth on my machine for some reason.

I have my share of weapons locked up "just in case". I have been in situations that a gun got me out of, but try to never put myself there again. My wife has tried to persuade me to get rid of my guns to no avail. After having been in situations as mentioned previous, there is no way. Nor will I pass on renewing my concealed pistol permit, even though I don't use it.

I understand & respect Richards point of view & feel the world would be a much better place without guns. But the fact is that they're here & I feel the sound of a Mossberg chambering a round is a great deterent to an unwanted visitor beating on my front door.

Sounds like quite a weapon tabs, I would not be able to enjoy it much as I am a terrible shot & have very shakey hands, that's why all my guns are high capacity.:D

So much for the argument of "responsible use".

:rolleyes:


http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/27/news/smith_wesson/index.htm?cnn=yes

Well my quest for a Tactical Rifle has bin put on hold.

tabs! let me get this straight. your 911 motor needs to be rebuilt, but you spent the money on a rifle?

Curt,
Good point!!

Think of it this way...U have a choich between a brand new GT3 or a nearly pristine orginal 1960 Porsche Speedster Carrera...which one do U buy???

tabs, nice grab. Enjoy that and your freedom to own one.

A wolf wakes up every day, kills something, and eats it.
I wake up and eat something I've already killed. Simple as that.

Tabs, pics please!!!

Tough "choich"....
:D

Motion,

Gun ownership is a very touchy subject!!!! Have you actually lived outside of Orange County? Sometimes, the justification of not needing (or needing) guns may be dictated by your environment.

I can't make my mind up on the issue of guns.

All I know is that a friend of a friend came into my families home (when my parents were away) and I was about 22 years old.
The guy was strung out on some drugs (don't know what). He bailed us up at 3am in the morning having left our house at 10pm the night prior to this particular morning. In my parents living room he had me sit on the floor and he proceeded to ask questions and make statements about what it would be like for my parents to come home and find my brains splattered against the wall.

I still have very strong images of this event. Lucky we talked our way through 3 hours of BS talk and made a run for the door. He camped in the house for 2 days and ransacked it. We were too frightened of reprisal if we rang the cops. He even stole my dads war medals which were in a brown paper bag in his socks drawer.

Finally he left. Eventually got caught doing a drug run in his GTO between states.

Anyhow...this situation left me with many thoughts
1. Would I have gone for a gun if I had one in the house?
2. Should I have tried to use my Taekwondo training to 'take him down'
3. Years later if my kids or wife were in this situation would I use either a gun, bodily assult or flight to get them out of the situation.

Guns, as everyone has commented, in themselves are not the problem. Its when they get in the hands of someone who could 'turn' at any time if provoked by a)their own actions b) someone else actions.

I use to hunt every year on my uncles farm for rabbits with 'mixy' as they were a harm to livestock and healthy ones also decimated the land he farmed. We were taught from a young age to respect the rifles we used and my dad (a WW2 Vet.) was a sergeant major with us. Any pot shots and we were in big trouble. If the rifle wasn't spotlessly clean before and after use and locked (chain and padlock) at any time other than when hunting for vermin...well...we were in MAX trouble.

Ultimately, I wish guns/rifles didn't exist. I, like Motion, look into my kids faces and fear for their safety from either accidental or purposeful (including random) shooting. Then again I'm fearful for their safety on the road too, be it in a car or crossing to school!

:confused:

Expathk,

I do not know if you are from U.S. or familiar with U.S. stuff, but be aware of lawsuits here. Using martial arts, baseball bat, gun, etc. make sure you understand that "dead man do not sue!!!!!!!!!!" And I repeat, DEAD MAN DO NOT SUE!!!!!

Martial arts........try "Excessive Force.!!"


I have 2 wonderful kids myself. I am very dedicated parent having refused big bucks, big jobs, wonderful career opportunities just to be with my kids. Without exageration, I get a high seeing my kids grow, laugh, play, you name it.

You should read "A time to Kill" by Grisham. In there, as a juror, you were asked to close your eyes, imagine the crime being done onto your kid, and you decide what you want to do...............





if you do decide to use a gun, the recommended final outcome should be that

The "assault weapon" ban expires in September. The MD legislature failed to reauthorize the state's ban. So I'll be buying an AR-15 October 1.

Someone above said: "Ultimately, I wish guns/rifles didn't exist."

Accept the fact that they do, and always will. Also, like others have said, they are just a tool, with a very singular purpose - poking a hole in whatever you point it at.

Remember that the police are only a reactionary force. Also (and I'm not trying to troll, flame, or seem like some anti-guv weirdo) there is a great history of Bad Things happening when a government disarms the citizens.