the goverment we deserve ?

[slope-nz]

Do we have the goverment we deserve, I'm afraid we do. My question is how we have alowed it to get so out of hand. It seems that the only positive things the elected officals do for us is put positive spin on how we have been cheated for the sake of big corps. that pay for there re-elections. I'm not picking on Bush, I don't think that in the long run it would be any different with Kerry. Any thoughts on this out there. Randy

[350HP930]

When an unholy alliance of big business and government have been working for over a hundred years to propagandize the public about what is good for the country what more should we expect.

Unfortunately history shows us that the $hit has to hit the fan in a major way before the public ever wakes up to even a small fraction of what is wrong and a small amount of superficial reform is enacted. Then the people once again become complacant and the cycle repeats itself. Its been this way for thousands of years.

This would normally make me rather cynical but fortunately humanity has been making some progress over the last millenia or so. For that reason I will continue to do my part to better the world around me.

Right now it appears that we are certainly on the insert $hit into fan part of the cycle and after watching what bush has done to navigate the doo doo into the rotating apparatus I would be willing to vote in a chimpanzee as a replacement for bush to see if the devastation can be minimalized.

Unfortunately it means I will probably be replacing my moral vote for Nader with a strategic vote for Kerry.

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Go with your morals, 350. Washington needs a message that the 2-party system is a failure.

[Superman]

Thanks, 350. Go ahead and waste your voting opportunity, BlueSky, on a vote essentially for Bush. You "message" will be played by the strategists, rather than heard by them.

I agree very completely with this thread. The typical voter appears to have no idea what's happening. He thinks he's voting for one thing, but ends up voting for virtually the opposite. That's the nature of politics in Amerika.

[jyl]

I dislike multi-party (more than two) systems because they tend to lead to political gridlock, as disproportionate power ends up in the hands of small parties whose 5% is the "swing vote". Since you can't do anything without stepping on 5% of the toes, you can't do anything. Examples abound - my favorite is Israel where small parties of religious conservatives can basically veto anything Sharon wants to do, because their few percent is critical to his coalition. Italy is another example.

This is especially so in parliamentary systems, but would be so in Congress as well. We already have a checks and balances system that tends to cause gridlock. We can't afford to make the situation worse.

I like the idea that when one party wins an election cycle, it really wins. Then it gets to carry out its agenda, and the people get to see the consequences, and there is a clear choice come the next election cycle.

I admit that it has been painful to watch George Bush (1) start a war, on false pretexts, that threatens to be our next Vietnam, (2) through huge tax cuts and huge spending increases, sink the country into a several-hundred-billion-dollar structural deficit, (3) alienate many if not most of our friends in other countries, (4) become Al Qaeda's #1 recruiting tool, and (5) ignore, or pretend to care about and then ignore, boring domestic needs like the environment, education, AIDS, etc.

But, hey, at least he has a clear record to run on. No-one can say Bush and the conservative Republicans haven't had control of government these four years.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by Superman
Go ahead and waste your voting opportunity, BlueSky, on a vote essentially for Bush. You "message" will be played by the strategists, rather than heard by them.

Uh, no, I would vote for Bush over Kerry, actually. Last thing I need is Kerry raiding my wallet to feed Carmencita's 12 children so she can have #13.

BTW, thanks BillyPilgrim. You said it more eloquently than I could.

[tabs]

Originally posted by 350HP930
When an unholy alliance of big business and government have been working for over a hundred years to propagandize the public

Spoken like a True Believer of the Communist Manifesto...Workers of the world rise up and overthrow the yoke of your Capitalist masters....redistribute the wealth of the rich to the opressed masses so that everybody can be poor together....

[slope-nz]

It seems that others don't like the way our goverment treats us. Given the reallistc position that we the citizens are in ,is there any thing "We the people" can do about it. Is our only hope that it becomes such a cluster fu*k that the grid lock in washington keeps them from makeing new laws(TAX). What to do What to do Randy

[fintstone]

Spoken like a True Believer of the Communist Manifesto...Workers of the world rise up and overthrow the yoke of your Capitalist masters....redistribute the wealth of the rich to the opressed masses so that everybody can be poor together....

How true! Soon the mantra would go from "a Porsche in every garage" to "take the bus like everyone else."

[slope-nz]

Threads do have a way of becoming twisted. The goverment that I don't feel that I deserve is the goverment that brought G.W. and M.Stewart up on insider tradeing.G.W. walked M.Stewart didn't. Was she guilty,yea Was G.W. guilty?most likely. Do I deserve to pay the bill for Hildbrand to charge the more for gas in Iraq than I have to pay in the U.S. There was no contract let out for this windfall.But it is a fact that our VP was CEO of Hildbrant before he was VP.There is also questions about how many meals Hildbrant served to how many people in iraq. The new perscription program in medicare is a joke. Medicare is band from trying to find the best price on drugs. The armed forces can go shopping anywere for there drugs.I would have though that the goverment would want the best for our men and woman in service of our country entill I saw the way that our vets are treated by the VA last night on ABC's Primetime. The goverment that I don't deserve is when a judge on the higest court wont recuse himself on a case that he is going to here on his old buddy our VP. I'm not looking to redistrubit the money held by the citizens of this country, Hell I work for mine to. The goverment that I don't deserve is the one one that is the one that disregards me and shove's it's power down my throat weather I like it or not. Randy

[cegerer]

[350HP930]

I think this political poster is more accurate . . .

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Curt, I almost killed my laptop laughing at that one.

You almost owed me a PowerBook!

[araine901]

I thought Porsches were German not French. Whats with all the whining???

Nice recycle of the Clinton poster. thats originality...