What really irritates me is the Administration's resolve about this whole mess. Their sound bytes seem only to involve the phrase: "What we're doing is the right thing."

There is no mention of the seven American hostages; no mention of the countless servicepeople killed since the war "has ended". Evidentally, the Administration has even requested that dead soldiers be flown into the U.S.A. at 3AM so as to minimalize news coverage and public view...

The list goes on...

I don't want this to be a witch hunt either...I want them to figure out where their problems are and try to address them. Ideally that could be done without public hearings (which invariably become partisan and seek to point fingers), but the sad fact is that without the spot light the odds of the organizations involved actually changing is low.

I guess my question is...with the same information, what would you do? The previous administration had the same information except for the Pheonix FBI agent's worry about the middle easterners he observed taking flying lessons...turned out he was totally wrong...All the people he pointed out were innocent. It was only a coincidence that what he theorized actually happened. Someone mentioned the G8 summit where they erected steel barriers around the compound and would not allow flyovers (Of ccourse they were as concerned with domestic terror as well as foreign). Would you support no aircraft flying over the US? For how long? We could put steel barriers around the pentagon and white house, but as we too well know...terrorists don't hesitate to kill civilians. Would you arrest all Muslims? Would you just kiss Osammas arse? With what the President knew on 911, what would you have done?

I'm just waiting for the Bush commercial that shows him prancing around on the aircraft carrier w/ the "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him, then cut to the soundbite of him saying "BRINGGG it on!!" to the Iraqi insurgents, (what was that, about 500 dead U.S. soldiers ago)? :rolleyes:

I know, I know....., the reasons for invading their country don't really matter, and didn't have to be true because the whole thing turned out really well. :)

Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot. :cool:

I have to modify my last statement; apparently the idiot has returned to the village in Texas for some much-needed R&R. No need to be in D.C. right now, not much going on in the world. :rolleyes:

"soo what!" (?) . . .you should follow that thought a bit further.
bin-boy is playing a popularity game with potetial recruites. The more attention we give bin-boy, the easier time he has recruting.
The Bush admin knows this. . . maybe you didn't get the memo.

Let me quote this: Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

It sickens me that there are so many that would sell-out under the guisse of "restoring confidence to the American people" just to knock Bush.

1) Where do I get that? From the GOP, striving for a rung of defense over their boy's preoccupation with Iraq, as stated.

2) From countless opinons (and yes, they are worth something in this regard) of a country who increasingly feels that the administration in their own desperation for a defense has retracted history to blame Clinton's administration for his own "distractions".

3) Seeing that Clinton "lied," when in fact, getting blown may or may not be equated as intercourse, thus sex, but when given apporpriate spin, the Repubs believe that one lie is as good as another - lies about getting head from a fat Brentwood chick = lies about WMDs necessitating agressive actions.

4) As I've seen so before (threads like this, bumper stickers, various placards, et al), undue comparisons of the Clinton/Monica situation has been given equal billing to Bush's failure to detect the al Queda threat because of his interest in Iraq - a predisposition he won't hone up to - and thus according to declassified papers - actively "lies" in the face of.

I don't quite understand what you're inferring with your last graph. Am I wrong to laugh at the phraseology, vague point you are making, or poetic use of "well rounded?" :confused:

QUOTE]What really irritates me is the Administration's resolve about this whole mess. Their sound bytes seem only to involve the phrase: "What we're doing is the right thing."

There is no mention of the seven American hostages; no mention of the countless servicepeople killed since the war "has ended". Evidentally, the Administration has even requested that dead soldiers be flown into the U.S.A. at 3AM so as to minimalize news coverage and public view...

The list goes on....[/QUOTE]

I don't see why they should say any different. We are doing the right thing. Any politician that says otherwise publicly is only contributing to our enemy's resolve. The news reports how many servicemen are killed daily as well as hostages, why would you expect the adminstration to repeat that? Just to trake the blame? Do we blame JFK for the 50,000 killed in losing the vietnam war or the 600 or so that were killed in Bush's winning 2 wars? Heck, we are killing the enemy at a rate of more than 10 to 1. Only in this country would people expect a president to take the blame for soldiers killed by the enemy or hostages taken by terrorists. Don't the terrorists get any blame? We are not killing our soldiers, the bad guys are! It sort of like the old gun control argument that law abiding citizens owning guns somehow are responsiible when a person uses a gun illegally...or gun manufacturers are the villian...sheesh

And you'll buy that when you have to meet a loved-one's casket at 3AM? Okay.

If I have to meet the casket of a loved one again. I would prefer to do so without the flashbulbs of a goulish press corps or public that is intent upon using the image of his dead body to damage the very cause he gave his life fighting for.

flintstone, go see the movie "Fog of War". McNamara states that JFK had a plan to pull out in 6mos as it was turning into a civil war and then he was killed. Blame LBJ if you must as he was responsible for the infusion and escalation of troops.

As to Bush providing more recruiting slogans for Biny Boy the escalation of the Iraq war has done more for Biny Boy's recruiting drive than anything else Bushie could think off. Read "Blowback" by Chamlbers Johnson as he explain the problems we are facing it the world caused by American Imperialism and the end of the Cold War.

I just would like Bush to be a man and come clean to the American public and accept the blame of 9/11. Then we can move on to stop the next one from happening.

Geoff

Uhh yea.

You guys are like a bunch of college kids who've been Mind f'ckd by the liberal professor. Sad stuff indeed.

Bush ruined the economy in 48 days of office, then he did not prevent an attack which had been in place for over a year, after 6 1/2 months in office. Man he's not just a screw up, he's one hell of an efficient screw up!


As Jack said "go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all filled up here"

Finally, an admission from the right :p

Those liberal mind-f*ck professors taught us how to quote out of context and everything.

:)have you made your liberal smile today? I have.

Sadly, I am not surprised to see you use a movie as a legitimate source..after all, you guys consider Dick Clarke one........But using McNamara...that must have really been painful...His current claim to fame is "Gee, I was really, really lying back then...Now I am telling the truth"...."by the way, would you buy my book?"
Gee, didn't Clarke say that too?

So fint, are you saying that once a person has lied, misled or omitted data they are obligated to their lie till the end of time?

Denis said this way back up, and there was another whole thread on it. I gotta stress to you guys that much of the rest of the world is not "blinded" by patriotism and is able to look at the whole situation a little more dispassionately.

It has just suddenly occured to me that the net result (and I'm happy to agree it is unintended) of Bush invading Iraq is to supply him with his current re-election platform. "I am a war president".

I guess the war is on terrorism too. But that isn't killing many people right now in the US.

What a screwed up situation...

If a person lies under oath, they are never again trustrworthy. Yes, till the end of time.

No, some are blinded by envy, some by greed, others by fear. Keep your backstabbing weasels. Give me an American blinded by patriotism anytime!