What Would Al Gore Do? WWAGD

All this talk about President Bush and his decisions about Iraq and what a bad Prez he is has me wondering....WWAGD? Faced with the same declining economy, planes crashing into buildings, a potentially dangerous mideast dick-tater, any CINC would have been challenged during this term. So let's speculate.....If the chad had hung to the left instead of the right and Senator Gore had been elected, how do you think he woulda reacted, and what would be different in the world right now?

[island911]

He'd put it in a Loooock-boxxx

[Bleyseng]

First Richard Clarkes terrorist plans would have gone into effect.
Probably, but not for certain the jets would have still happened as the CIA and FBI would have been more in touch with each other, so who knows.
So if 9/11 still happened we would have still done something with the UN in Afghanistan but maybe they would have turned bin landen over with enough global pressure and economic aid.

There wouldn't be a war in Iraq thats for damn sure.
There wouldn't have been the stupid tax cuts.
There wouldn't be the half a trillion per year debt load either.

We would be getting along fine with the Global Village instead of being the Global bully who everyone hates.

Geoff

[Aurel]

10,000 Iraqui and 600 US soldiers would still be alive.
He would have gone to Afghanistan. Any president would have. Mullah Omar and Bin Laden might have been caught, with more ressources dedicated to that, and not to the stupid and useless Iraq war.
The peace process between Israel and Palestine would be in better shape.
The french would not be poking fun at the americans

Aurel

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Bleyseng
First Richard Clarkes terrorist plans would have gone into effect.
Probably, but not for certain the jets would have still happened as the CIA and FBI would have been more in touch with each other, so who knows.
So if 9/11 still happened we would have still done something with the UN in Afghanistan but maybe they would have turned bin landen over with enough global pressure and economic aid.


Geoff

If Gore didn't implement Clarke's suggestions for the previous years he was in office, what makes you think he would have suddenly stared doing so?

The 911 hearings have clearly shown that the Clinton justice dept imposed policies that kept the FBI and CIA from working together...again, why would you think Gore would have changed his own policy if he had been elected?

The PDB that is supposed to be the "smoking gun" tells us that Bin Laden had planned terrorist acts far in advance...and it is generrally accepted that the 911 attack wasa planned during the previous administration...why do you think it wouldn't have happened regardless of who was elected?

Originally posted by Aurel
The french would not be poking fun at the americans

Yeah, that keeps me up at night too.....

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Aurel
10,000 Iraqui and 600 US soldiers would still be alive.
He would have gone to Afghanistan. Any president would have. Mullah Omar and Bin Laden might have been caught, with more ressources dedicated to that, and not to the stupid and useless Iraq war.
The peace process between Israel and Palestine would be in better shape.
The french would not be poking fun at the americans

Aurel

With Hussein killing a hundred thousnd of his people every few years, it is actually possible that there is net gain of 90,000 Iraqis that would have been killed.

Since we now know that Bin Laden planned additional attacks like 911 on the US, sincew thwarted by the Bush administration....If only one of his attacks would have been successful, we have save approximately 2400 American lives.

The peace process seems to be going quite well now that Israel feels that it is allowed to defend itself....2 less major terrorist leaders in less than a month. Now that's progress.

The French are too busy surrendering to poke fun at anyone.

[Moses]

Originally posted by Bleyseng
... stupid tax cuts.

Best unintentional oxymoron of 2004. But the year is young.

[SRISER]

Boy, the French don't like us! Oh no! What to do. Yeah, like I give a crap.

I am sure Al would have used the vast resources available on the Internet, I mean, since he invented it an all...to fight terrorism. Maybe send really harsh emails to Bin Laden and Saddam...maybe invite them to discussion groups to talk about how bad America is and how we have hurt their feelings.

Stupid tax cuts? These stupid tax cuts are responsible for getting us out of the deplorable recession brought on by the bursting of the fake economy under Klinton...add 9/11 and other stuff and we have done pretty damn well.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by SRISER
Stupid tax cuts? These stupid tax cuts are responsible for getting us out of the deplorable recession brought on by the bursting of the fake economy under Klinton...add 9/11 and other stuff and we have done pretty damn well.

you mean like the fake economy we have now? The only reason it seems "strong" is that people keep going into debt to buy crap they don't really need. At some point, mortgage rates will go up, and that will dry up the "let's get a 2nd and buy a plasma screen and a new car" party, and then the year of "no interest, no payments" will come due and all the sudden personal bankruptcy will be at an all time high.

You want fries with that?

[SRISER]

So you think the president is responsible for the condition of the economy when you are pointing out irresponsible consumer behavior? I actually agree with you with respect to consumer behavior. We consumers are silly in that regard. We run up our debt and then blame our troubles on the president lamenting that he didn't do enough for us with respect to jobs.

As for the Klinton economy, that was fabricated entirely on expectations of future fortunes which were based upon nothing...consumers went out and had the same silly debt party that they are having now.

Tax cuts work. Kennedy proved it, Reagen proved it twice (in California and then at the Federal level) and Bush will prove it. This is not a partisan issue, this is economics.

That said, NO president can tryly take credit or blame for anything that happens with the economy or jobs. Blaming a president for that is politics not economics. The people who have the most influence on our economy is the small business owner, Alan Greenspan and the average consumer.

[350HP930]

When it comes to the question 'could anyone do worse than bush' the magic 8 ball says 'unlikely'.

Originally posted by 350HP930
When it comes to the question 'could anyone do worse than bush' the magic 8 ball says 'unlikely'.

Why not try to answer the question instead of taking another shot at the President?

OK, back on topic, WWAGD?

[350HP930]

Hey, you asked what what would be different in the world today.

I gave you my opinion that if anyone but bush was in that office the would probably be a better place than it is today.

If you need the details of WWAGD do why not write him an e-mail and ask him yourself.

[araine901]

are foregin terrorists with RPG's counted in that 10K estimate?

[araine901]

350, you need some anger managent for your bush issues. LOL

[350HP930]

Anger management? LOL, if you only knew me but you don't which makes your statement even more ignorant than amusing.

[WOODPIE]

Gettin' loud. Gettin' loud.....

LOL

Ed

[Bleyseng]

Tax cuts works if you don't also raise government spending. Simple economics. Cut spending and cut taxes. If you raise spending and cut taxes for the rich then you are in trouble. Thats where we are now...
Oh, Reganomics were the same thing. Tax cuts for the rich and higher government spendin.
Clinton did BALANCE the budget and this amazingly help spark the economy for the longest period in the 20th Century. Wow, a Democrat did that!
IIRC Clarkes plans came at the end of Clintons time so it could have gone right into effect. The problems of the FBI and the CIA communicating go back to the Regan Era where the White House ordered the CIA to do operations (see Ollie North).Congress passed some laws to prevent this.
I think that the GOP congress would have stood in the way of any changes that Clarke suggusted until a 9/11 like event happened. As a people we need blood to spill before we change.
I think if Gore had been elected we would still be with the UN rebuilding Afghanistan and not in Iraq.
I also think this "Bush Strong Man" posing is driving Arab men to become terrorist in droves. The Arabs see Bush as a threat to them and will fight to the death. How many of you will strap a bomb on and go blow yourself up?
Kicking the ***** out of things usually stirs up a hornets nest.

Geoff

[fintstone]

If Gore were president after 911, we would have grounded all our aircraft and begged Bin Laden not to do it again. Meanwhile the plot for the second strike in LA would occur. He could always bribe Bin Laden by giving him nuclear capability like when the Clinton administration did so much to further China's and North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.