Dirty Bombs, apocalypse etc.

[Sonic dB]

Yeah yeah...I know that articles such as this one

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&ncid=2027&e=4&u=/chitribts/20040509/ts_chicagotrib/expertsfeardirtybombattackinuseurope

are just the media trying to instill fear into the population...etc. etc.

Concerns are growing that Al Qaeda or a related group could detonate a "dirty bomb" that would spew radioactive particles across an American or European city, according to intelligence analysts, diplomats and independent nuclear experts.

This is a scenario that we don't want to talk about, or even think about...but the fact is that its a scary and real possibility. What defense could we possibly have in such a situation like this? Which major cities do you think they would target first? How would we possibly deal with it?

[350HP930]

While I think the US has more to fear from its leaders and traditional truck bombs I think this is just left over hype from the 'saddam has nuke materials' argument.

Speaking of dirty bombs, it seems a bit hypocritical to cast this as an evil that should not befall americans at the same time that our military is littering iraq, afghanistan, bosnia and anywhere else we fight a war with tons of radiological materials as a result of detonating and shooting DU weaponry.

You would think that the people that don't care about the 'enemy' would at least be concerned about the effect these weapons have on our soldiers.

I read an article just the other day about how the DOD is refusing to authorise tests for soldiers that suspect they may be radiologically contaminated.

I think that DU is certain to become the agent orange of the 21st century as far as the lingering effects on our soldiers and enemy civilians go.

[island911]

" DU is certain to become the agent orange of the 21st century " -- I hope youre wrong, HP.

re; dirty bombs: The PBS show "Frontline" did a piece on dirty bombs. I believe someone(Govt) must be thinking it is quite plausable, else we wouldn't be getting that education.

[350HP930]

The terrorists in spain didn't need dirty bombs to kill lots of people.

The fact is that when the US was mounting its nuke case against saddam they frequently used the dirty bomb argument since they knew he didn't have the resources to make a fissile bomb.

Even when a story with little credence gets a lot of momentum its not going to go away overnight.

[tabs]

Quiet, Quiet Children, we don't want to think of such things....it might upset you...keep you from spending...and we all know how much your spending means to the World economy...Everything is all right the government is on the job...the FBI and CIA are out there to protect us from such evil...even if it means they are doing some things that might put you off your lunch...it is all to keep you safe so you can live your lives in air conditioned homes, and driving the latest SUV. HUSH HUSH children go to sleep now...

[beepbeep]

Originally posted by tabs a year ago
Dear Speedeer.....I am tired of all the GW jokes......GW has my vote.....everybody was all worried about how messy this all could be and we shouldn't be going to war.......but look how easy and clean it all seems to be turning out..these guys keep turning out one success after another......look how Afgan turned out....the media was saying we couldn't get the job done before spring and with less than 200 USA troops on the ground Afgan fell before Christmas..... These guys in the WH know what they are doing... So take your Taliban loving idealogy back to Irack....Oh it isn't there anymore.....looks like you should go to North Korea then...

Originally posted by island911 in same thread
beeper,
You should recognize that the "greatest nation under god" (sic) does not need to be "taken down a notch," to make the world a safer place.

It's amazing to me that someone as intelligent as you, is buying into the rhetoric of saddam/binladin. The US is not the enemy of the World. The US has, and will continue to make the World a safer place.

We (the US) don't take military action lightly (esp this prez). We do see the benifit of getting along in this world.

Rather than tying to take the US down a notch, why don't you focus on bringing up Sweden to the standard of taking a stand against dictators with WMD, rather than following french lead of enabling dictators with WMD.

I promise you, thinking that dictators with WMD will make the world be a more balanced and safe place, is a HUGE miscalculation.

More stuff from good old tabs:

Originally posted by tabs a year ago
Italian, French or Egyptian all the same thing.........

The krauts have become a nilihistic country...... and what have they done to help the US of A lately? Don't they realize what side of the bread the butter is on? Are they jealous of that fact, that the Americans are so much better than the huns economically and militarily? That the myth of the Aryan Superman as exposed by Nietzsche is as bogus as the White Mans Burdon. The only thing that the huns do is build over priced automobiles, and thats when they aren't on holiday.... in America.

U would also think that the huns would remember that Islamic Fundamentalism is a threat to them as well......

Original hilarious post by tabs
The French and Germans sold Iraq the fixing for their weapons of Mass Destructions..they are in bed with the Guy. Remember GW said your either with us or agin us. I would tell the French and Germans OK we won't invade Iraq, but if they ever deliver an attack on us...U go with him.....meanig we will turn France and Germany into a big smoking hole in the ground. Hows that for telling our miserable ex allies where to get off.....not that I would do that mind you.....but I'm feeling like Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry at the moment.... or maybe just "Bomb em back to the Stone age" USSAF General Curtis LeMay.

[350HP930]

LOL, good finds beep. I can see the rhetoric has changed a little now that they can no longer cling onto the WMD farce but their new arguments are as empty as their old ones.

[Staylo]

Classic stuff. Now who's flip flopped?

[JavaBrewer]

Very little can be done to protect the U.S. from another terrorist act. Yet when (not if) we get hit again it will all be GWs fault. Our actions in the middle east today are sure to bring more terrorist acts here but I believe we would be in a much more dangerous situation now had we not gone in at all. This is much bigger than anyone percieved and I give GW kudos for having the balls to initiate a response knowing so many folks with their heads in the sand would complain. The reality is that the world will never be the same again - which is probably a good thing cause we never really had any real friends (except Britian) to begin with.

Oh and the whole dirty bomb thing, sure it's a reality but we can't live our lives in fear of the event. My line of work tells me we're in for a one frightening decade - 911 will look small.

[350HP930]

Personally I believe that ending our support of evil regimes (that includes israel as well as saudi arabia) and pulling our troops out of the middle east would make the world a much safer place for americans but some people would call the wisdom of minding our own ****ing business 'giving into terrorism'.

[emwporsche]

you're right 350.
when someone holds a gun to your head to rob you, or I see your wife or g/f being raped in an alley,

I'll mind my own f******* bussiness.

[campbellcj]

emw -- I think you actually touched precisely on one of the points being raised.

Why the hell has the US become the "unwanted" world policeman, when we have so damn many problems to deal with at home?

Poverty, crime, illiteracy, corruption...we don't need to go to Iraq or anywhere else in the world to find those challenges!

[350HP930]

I have the means to protect my family, thank you very much.

I don't think the police filling out a report on a crime a half an hour or more after the fact does much to keep crime from occuring.

Its interesting how so many people who support this insane war are the same people who can not differentiate between justified self defense and starting a fight that didn't need to be started in the first place.