I love the rock 'n roll stuff, but I cant justify the cost.

1100rds/min is smokin, i had no idea an M16 cycled that fast. Ive seen a MAC11 in .380 that ran somewhere close to 1100rds a miinute and it was absolutely uncontrollable. The owner had a red dot on it and you could see the dot bouncing all over the ceiling of the range when he would shoot it.

Ive never shot or seen a SAW in person. The real MP5s (dealer samples or the registered receiver guns) are pretty unbelievable. Defintiely the finest registered weapon Ive ever shot. The novelty wears off quickly though at the range. Plates and pins dont stand a chance.

If you get a chance to go to Knob Creek, definitely check it out. DONT FORGET YOUR HEARING PROTECTION :D. A couple of minutes behind a MG42 or a MG34 (8mm Mauser, 1200 rds/min) and the novelty of a subgun will wear off pretty fast :D. If that isnt enough, go rent the quad .50 anti aircraft gun that is there every year. The minigun sounds more like a chainsaw than a gun.

I really got a chuckle from listening to a group of guys that collectively owned serveral hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of MG42s and MG34s make a comment about how the guy with the minigun had more 'money than brains'

Guns and a wedding? Perhaps we can get the military to crash the wedding like they did that one in northern iraq. :p

I bet if we have RPG's they might

Kevin? As long as your boat floats???

I am always amazed at the amount of money some of those guys at the creek have invested not only intheir weapons but in their ammo. No wonder surplus .308 don't stay on the market very long with these guys around. I can't even imagine trying to feed one of those M2s. Whats that around a buck a piece these days.........

I am convinced that the only way to get into that game is with an FFL. The price differential between a dealer sample and a "registered" gun is incredible. I have an itch to build a 1919a4 (how can I pass up a $350 kit?) but I refuse to build it in semi so I guess I'll have to get a type 02 FFL sometime. Of course if I get one of those I really have my heart set on an MG42............I'm gonna need more ammo.

Pete

It would not surprsie me at all if someone told me that the group of guys that had the MG42s and MG34s that I was talking about shot 50k rounds apiece the weekend of the shoot I went to at Knob Creek. The minigun went through close to 1000rds per burst so Im not even going to guess how much ammo he went through.

Your right about the FFL. It would make it easier being able to buy these things at the Post sample prices. Problem is that its next to impossible to get a dealer license unless its your primary business or going to be run from a commercial storefront. The Pre sample guns (the ones you can actually keep after your dealer license expires as an individual) can be almost as expensive as a transferrable weapon.

George Patton said, "The M1 Garand was the best battle rifle ever invented."

Other than the novelity of having shot an automatic weapon, I can't see the practicality of owning one... The restrictions and cost of operating the dam thing would be prohibitive. Well anyway the last time I went down to shoot those guns they took the gun away from me, and told me never to come back.... They really were quiet upset....

Only because he never got to shoot an FAL. :D

Seriously though what does being "practical" have to do with anything I build? It's fun. I'm not looking to head into combat anytime soon, I just get this big stupid grin on my face when I point something fully auto down range and let loose. If I had to use $$$$ as a gauge of whether or not to own something, I wouldn't have a 911 either I suppose.

Pete

Or a Galil.

Heck, I haven't gotten to shoot one of those yet. If someone would start making receivers for them we could start putting them together too. I see barrels and mags on occasion but thats about it. You seen the price tag on those things lately? Yikes.

Do you know of anyone personally that has been turned down for any class of FFL? I hear more opinions and conjecture on getting one, I think I'm just going to start the application process and find out for myself. I think Tabs has (had) a C&R. Any advice?

Pete

Happiness is a warm gun....

FYI, they make you hang the silhouette targets upside-down not because they want you to get used to shooting at Kiwis (*coughCamBcough*)

:D :D :D :D

JP, Michigan in '96 huh. I knew a couple guys on the team between '92 -'96. Even golfed with Brian Griese once.

Lendaddy, I think that what he said is that he graduated from U of Michigan Law School in '96, (JD), not sure about him being on the football team. Though he's certainly big enough. I'm sure that we'll get a clarification soon. Or not. :)

Ya lost me dennis, I was asking him if he knew any guys from the team, since he was a fan and there at the same time.

The Galils are awesome. I don't currently own one, but if I ever drop a bunch of coin for another black rifle it will be for a Galil.

I had to think about it for a second, but I cant say that I do know anyone who has been turned down for a class 3. I know a few class 3 dealers but they all got their licenses a while back. Sorry about that, I didnt mean to make it sound like I had a bunch of first hand knowledge about the law on this stuff. Go for it man!

Lendaddy -
I knew a couple of the players, but not well. Remy Hamilton and I hung out a couple of times (just b/c we were at the same ginmills -- Rick's usually and he beat ND with a last-minute fieldgoal in '94, while I was dating an ND girl who was an insufferable ND fan (redundant?) so I had bragging rights for 2 years as ND and Mich didn't play in '95). I knew Jay Riemersma -- we almost threw down in that burrito joint on South U. the first night we met (he'd have kicked my a$$) and by the end of the evening we were getting along famously. But that's the extent of it. A buddy of mine was tutoring a lot of the hoops and football players as a TA, so I met a number of them, but I can't say I "knew" them.

It would've been nice to go through law school on a football scholarship, though. I played some semi-pro ball while I was studying in the Netherlands during law school, but it was more like club ball than anything "serious".

Re: Galils, my cousin is a photographer/artist/graphic designer and did the first publicity shots of the first Galil in the US. I didn't fire it, but got to hold it (this is years ago, obviously). The Galil had to have an armed escort with it at all times, which was kind of trippy.

If I was going to drop some serious coin on a rifle, it'd be either the AI AW or Sako TRG-42, either in .338 LM, naturally. Unertl optics in all likelihood. :D

Veddy intresting..............:cool:

I have/had an FFL licensed to my old home in CA. In LV U can't be a home dealer. I am going to surrender the FFL and go for the Curio & Relic license. MOstly I understand that it takes having a store front to get an FFL now. Unless you going to be active in the biz, the hassle of the FFL is not worth the effort.

Nesika Tactical.... in 308 with prototype Unertle scope

Sounds like you had a blast out here. Thats great. Come on back anytime.