Look who invented the "resignation."

[Overpaid Slacker]

Supe, it has not been a GOP smear campaign; the lefty media and entertainment world has made much hay of the Gore/Internet thing; SNL is not exactly a Republican fifth column, for example. It seems it's you twisting the scenario and the fact that this claim has received so much press and using it to smear Bush and the gang. Gore's made much more lunatic assertions in Earth In The Balance in any event.

This is not unlike Quayle getting all kinds of grief for being "stupid" b/c while judging a spelling bee he claimed potato was spelled with a terminal "e". Which (1) is an accepted alternate spelling and (2) was the answer printed on the card given him and therefore the "correct" answer in the eyes of the bee's organizers. Yet not all facts are introduced into evidence and therefore Quayle is a "moron" who can't spell potato/e. This crap swings both ways.

A personal fave of mine, which didn't get a lot of airplay b/c this president was deemed "smart" by the self-appointed cognoscenti is the following:

"The last time I checked, the Constitution said 'of the people by the people and for the people.' That's what the Declaration of Independence says!"

Now, to which President is this attributed, and wherein will you find the phrase "of the people, by the people and for the people"? HINT: it's neither the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence. To me, this is a real howler, but strangely not part of our political history like potato/e. Why?

JP

[Superman]

Lincoln was beyond genius. Someone like him was needed to guide this nation at the time he served. The address you mention is short, but enormously meaning-packed. He had to decide whether "...a nation so conceived can long endure..." Split the nation, or hold it together with his strong arms. It's like he was more angel than human.

I know Bush did not create that Internet smear stuff, but I also don't know he did NOT orchestrate it. I do know that I see Kerry's face on Bush ads more than I see Bush on Bush's ads.

[fintstone]

here is another couple of Gore quotes from his 1992 book, Earth in the Balance. He is referring to automobiles and the internal combustion engine

"We now know (the internal combustion engine's)
impact on the global environment is posing a mortal threat to the
security of every nation that is more deadly than that of any
military enemy we are ever again likely to confront."

and

"It ought to be possible to establish a coordinated global program to accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the internal combustion engine over, say, a 25-year period."

Guess that would leave about 17 more years that you could drive your Porsche if Gore had been elected.

[Overpaid Slacker]

Supe -

Check this out. I got a real kick out of it.

Just click on "Click here to start"

JP

[Staylo]

Originally posted by fintstone
Of course you leave out the fact that they were Gore supporters trying to help him out in the election after he put his foot in his mouth. Funny they did not give him credit for his creation prior to the election. In fact, his "suport" is clearly generalities and outright fluff. You could say the same about almost anyone. Who did not "support" technology. For someone who would have been president if he could have just carried his home state...he makes a lot of wild, but unsubstantiated claims.

Maybe you didn't actually read their statement? I'll give it to you again from another source:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/10/02/net_builders_kahn_cerf_recognise/

"But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

Yes Fint, there is more, but you will have to be bothered with reading. I 'll respect their opinion on the subject, and you can spin and deflect. Still won't give you any credibility here.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Staylo
Maybe you didn't actually read their statement? I'll give it to you again from another source:

Oh I read it....both this time and last time this issue was argued on this BBS. I did not question these guy's contributions to technology. What you overlook is that these folks were democrat speakers/fundraisers actively supporting Gore's election and the fact that the never mentioned "Gore's creation" of the internet in the period it was being created. Only as an admitted attempt to deflect criticism of his words during the election.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Superman
I know Bush did not create that Internet smear stuff, but I also don't know he did NOT orchestrate it. I do know that I see Kerry's face on Bush ads more than I see Bush on Bush's ads.

The reason that Bush is not in Kerry's ads is because all of Kerry's ads are about the four months he was in Vietnam.

[RickM]

Emmision regulations may suffer as the prices of gas go up.

One of the strategies being considered is to reduce the number of "boutique" gasoline blends to lower price. I believe the number of formulas is at around 20. This wll mean (temporarily?) repealing many state emmision laws.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
If giving up the internal combustion engine meant that the glacier that feeds the river that keeps me alive will survive, so be it. At present, it is receding about 50meteres per year. That is an unbelievable rate for a glacier and means it might be gone in my lifetime, as the rate is increasing. The polar bears are starving 'cause the ice that lets them get far out onto Hudson bay to hunt is disappearing. They overheat and die. The polution of the world collects at the poles, where the ecosystems are extremely sensitive....(snipped)

Umm.... Glacial recession at rates much higher than what you are experiencing have been observed and reported as far back as the mid 1800's. Prolly not as a result of the internal combustion engine....

[turbocarrera]

Originally posted by dhoward
Umm.... Glacial recession at rates much higher than what you are experiencing have been observed and reported as far back as the mid 1800's. Prolly not as a result of the internal combustion engine....

Not in the Columbia Icefield they haven't. There has been several events in geological history that have caused temporary spikes in world temperature(volcanoes cause a sudden decrease from sunblock at first then the greenhouse effect takes over and causes an average rise till the cloud dissapates), but we have been seeing an steady increase, not a spike.

I get my environmental information from here.
Not from here.

Internal combustion engines burn over 80million barrels of oil a day and release trillions of tons of co every year. Any environmental scientist that isn't on an oil company payroll thinks its a huge problem.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by turbocarrera
...(snipped)
I get my environmental information from here.
Not from here.

Internal combustion engines burn over 80million barrels of oil a day and release trillions of tons of co every year. Any environmental scientist that isn't on an oil company payroll thinks its a huge problem.

I too, trust nearly all TV scientists and researchers.

A bit of a generalization, don't you think?

But enough of this!!
Back to Algore....

[fintstone]

I have no problem with anyone who believes Gore and wants to give up their internal combustion engines. Just don't ask a nonbeliever like me to. Did Gore give up his limo for a bicycle?

[CamB]

Originally posted by fintstone
I disagree. Bush has yet to smear anyone. the Internet joke about Gore was a media invention, not Bush's. Bush does not even question Kerry's military record. The only thing he questions is Kerry's voting record..and some of the things Kerry has said in his speeches...which is fair game and what should be items of scrutiny. Bush has taken the high road (which has cost him significantly), but since he will win handily, he can afford to.

Oh come one, we've argued about this before. In a daring bid to test just how stupid the US public is, Bush indeed does not sling mud (much) at Kerry. He gets his underlings to.

As far as I am concerned, its coming out of the same mouth.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by CamB
Oh come one, we've argued about this before. In a daring bid to test just how stupid the US public is, Bush indeed does not sling mud (much) at Kerry. He gets his underlings to.

As far as I am concerned, its coming out of the same mouth.

Oh that is really fair. You think that when Kerry says something anal with his own mouth...Bush is just as bad even though he doesn't say the same. That sure doesn't sounds fair to me. No matter what the President says, you attribute something someone else said to him. Why would you assume "he gets his underlings to?" Could it not be possible that his supporteres are just voicing their opinions....like Al Sharpton, Ted, Kennedy, Al Gore, Michael Moore, Hillary Clinton, Richard Clarke, etc do for Kerry? Or are they all Kerry underling moutnpieces?

[CamB]

As far as I am concerned, anyone in Bush's cabinet is pretty much speaking for him. Especially attack-dog Cheney, who does most of the dirty work.

In case you hadn't noticed, this isn't entirely about voting for "one man" - a good thing since Bush campaigns on "delegation" (and I don't have a problem with that) - its about voting for a party. Not all of your little list of outspoken liberals count as being "Kerry's Merry Men" (hey, I like that). However, Bush has a number of them (women too, of course) - you know who they are.

[djmcmath]

As long as Kerry's Merry Men don't have to wear tights, I'll try not to complain too loud...