God I Love This:

[speeder]

"Back in 2000, a Republican friend of mine warned me that if I voted
for
Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of
jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I
did vote for Al Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those
things
didn't come true."

James Carville, Democratic strategist

[WOODPIE]

i got a chuckle, thanks!

Mr. Carville and his wife make a good living doing what many of us do for free here!

Ed

[cowtown]

I don't get it...how, exactly, did Gore win?

Keeping in mind the concept of the electoral college, of course. It's inconvenient, but hey, it's the law.

[techweenie]

No, Denis. You don't understand. The economy is booming. Fintstone told me so!

And because we had to fight the war in Afghanistan with "Clinton's military," we were beaten. All the Republicans told me that would happen.

[Superman]

Sure. Electoral College. So the law of the land is that the candidate with the most votes is not necessarily the winner. I'm not sure I agree that's the best method, but it's the law of the land.

Then there was the Florida thing. Republicans in charge everywhere. Questions are raised about voting irregularities. After asking a few questions, even more questions are raised. Fascinating ballot configuation that appears to fool Gore voters into casting votes for Buchanan. That can't be true even though it looks true, of course, but by pure coincidence an overwhelmingly liberal county in which this took place delivers a landslide victory to Buchanan. Imagine the odds. Miscounts. Missing ballots. Cousin Jeb Bush, the Governor, and chum attorney general carefully select the votes that will be recounted, and oversee the process. More questions raised. AG declares a victor. Cousin Dubya. The matter moves to the nation's high court where a decision is made not to stand in the state's shoes. meanwhile it appears that any other method of counting, like for example recounting the entire state, would have yielded a different result. The presidency of the United States of America came down to a decision made by Cousin Jeb's Attorney General. She decided who would be President.

So in a sense, Gore did everything he needed to do to win. And he did win. But he didn't become President of the United States of America. He didn't get the benefit of her decision. According to what I have gathered, it boils down to that. Interesting little political system is used by the one remaining world power.

[techweenie]

Superman: "Then there was the Florida thing. Republicans in charge everywhere. Questions are raised about voting irregularities. After asking a few questions, even more questions are raised."

You left out the disqualified voters. Not satisfied with the vendor that charged a $5700 fee to identify felons and disqualify them from voting, Florida found a new vendor, spent millions and found 57,000 'possible' felons to disqualify. So tens of thousands of non-felons (who were oddly enough, mostly Black) were taken off the voter rolls until after the Presidential election.

There's a great story about it all here:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1

[WOODPIE]

Sup, you forgot to mention the voter purge.

The only thing more incredible than that chain of events is the fact that so many Americans are OK with it.

Ed

Whoops, the weinnermeister beat me to it.

[techweenie]

Gore would have won in Florida.

However, he did not, and as he graciously stated, the rules were the same as they were when he got into the race.

The electoral college performs a function -- another incredibly prescient concept of our forefathers -- and the 'game' has to be played to take that into consideration.

Most interesting since then has been the proliferation of electronic voting machines without auditing capability and with hacking vulnerabiltiy -- many produced by Republican campaign contributor Diebold. We threw them out in California. Other states may not.

--------------------------

Executive Calls Vote-Machine Letter an Error
New York Times

Walden W. O'Dell, the chairman and chief executive of Diebold Inc., said on Monday that it had been a "huge mistake" for him, as the head of a voting machine company, to express support for President Bush's re-election in a fund-raising letter last year. Mr. O'Dell also said the company was working to address computer security problems and build voter confidence in its wares.

Mr. O'Dell said that he had since dropped out of all political activity and that the company would not support political parties "so long as we are in the voting business."

Reading carefully from a statement, Mr. O'Dell said, "Diebold intends to fully cooperate with the attorney general in his investigation of the secretary of state's concerns."

He said he could not discuss California, which on April 30 prohibited the use of Diebold's machines in four counties for the November election. The secretary of state, Kevin Shelley, has asked California's attorney general to investigate whether Diebold should face charges.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
No, Denis. You don't understand. The economy is booming. Fintstone told me so!

And because we had to fight the war in Afghanistan with "Clinton's military," we were beaten. All the Republicans told me that would happen.

The economy is booming, you wouldn't know it by the media blackout.

Clinton's military?...That is rich, he despised the military and did all he could to diminish it.



A picture is worth a thousand words...Should read "got caught stealing."

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Superman
Then there was the Florida thing. Republicans in charge everywhere. Questions are raised about voting irregularities. After asking a few questions, even more questions are raised. Fascinating ballot configuation that appears to fool Gore voters into casting votes for Buchanan. That can't be true even though it looks true, of course, but by pure coincidence an overwhelmingly liberal county in which this took place delivers a landslide victory to Buchanan. So in a sense, Gore did everything he needed to do to win. And he did win. But he didn't become President of the United States of America. He didn't get the benefit of her decision. According to what I have gathered, it boils down to that. Interesting little political system is used by the one remaining world power.

So, Gore loses the election...Several hours later a telemarketer hired by the DNC calls old folks and tells them they may have made a mistake. Of course, these ballots have been used many times in these counties...Never mind that...The scare-tactic works and old suckers call and complain. If you screw up, it is nobody's fault except your's. But given the liberal sense of entitlement they wanted a chance to steal the election by falsifying an irregularity.

So far we can come to one of two conclusions...Either they were manufacturing an attempted hijacking of an election, or the Florida Democrats voters were just too stupid to figure out a ballot manufactured and designed by Democrats...Either is plausible.

While the "manual recount" is going down, they change the rules. The Florida Democrat Supreme Court is more than willing to comply. Three times they usurped procedure and each time Gore turned out the loser. They tried to disenfranchise the military absentee vote (sure Republican votes in the trash). Could you imagine?...Throwing out the ballots of our military men and women serving honorably over seas?

The liberals concoct a race-baiting lie. They say that black people were intimidated with road-blocks and police officers in black districts...Turns out to be a lie...The DNC, as per modus operandi, attempt to get illegals and felons to vote...This gets rebuffed. They finally get Madame Chloe from the Psychic Friends Network to divine the intent of the voter...For surely the questionable ballots must have been intended to go to Gore.

The Democrats were trying to steal the election, overturn the will of the people. The Supreme Court had to be called in for a ruling. They ruled correctly. You cannot change the rules as you go, it is unconstitutional.

There was an attempted theft of the election of 2000, and it was by a Sore Loser.

[speeder]

Jason, Just for you, baby:

[turbo6bar]

Originally posted by Mulholland
They finally get Madame Chloe from the Psychic Friends Network to divine the intent of the voter...For surely the questionable ballots must have been intended to go to Gore.

haha, that's a good one.

[Superman]

I sure like the Internet. It gives people a convenient chance to view all the sides of the debate in some detail, in various formats (like this BBS), and an opportunity for the parties to bring out their thunder and lay it on the table for consumption. And for all those voters who are still on the fence after gathering this information, there are people like Mul who then tip the scale. Thanks, Mul. I'm glad you're on "their" side. Sometimes I just shake my head, in near disbelief at what I read. But I'm thankful.

[island911]

Is that more of your side of the debate, Super? . .Some ambiguous, non-responsive drivil .. .supposedly to lift your status to judge(who means well, of course), and subtley suggest your opposition is way past the pale.. . . ? (is that tough to do?)

When all you can do is change the subject; it would seem you lost that one, BIG.

Sad really; I keep looking for sustenance . . .something useful in your recent posts.

Originally posted by Superman
.. .fool Gore voters . ..

there it is.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Superman
I'm glad you're on "their" side. Sometimes I just shake my head, in near disbelief at what I read. But I'm thankful.

Shake yer head at this...

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- If a recount of Florida's votes in the close presidential election last year had been allowed to proceed by the United States Supreme Court, Republican George W. Bush would still have won the White House, a Miami newspaper reports.

The Miami Herald conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 ballots in all 67 Florida counties. Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes would have tripled to 1,655 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival Al Gore.

Hey soup, get over it!USA Today/Miami Herald

[techweenie]

osland 911: "Is that more of your side of the debate, Super? . .Some ambiguous, non-responsive drivil .. .supposedly to lift your status to judge(who means well, of course), and subtley suggest your opposition is way past the pale.. . . ? (is that tough to do?

Exactly my comment about Mul's 2-line response. The economy is booming? Where?How?

Clinton's military victorious in Afghanistan? Of course it was. He didn't even try to deny it. Just made some foolish comment.

So I guess you only criticize responses when they don't agree with your prejudices... or are you, like the majoriity of others here, simply ignoring Mul?

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by speeder
[B]Jason, Just for you, baby:

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by speeder
"Back in 2000, a Republican friend of mine warned me that if I voted
for
Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of
jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I
did vote for Al Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those
things
didn't come true."

James Carville, Democratic strategist

Old Joke...recycled. Back in '64 they warned me that if I voted for Barry Goldwater I'd see bombing in North Vietnam. I voted for Goldwater. They were right.

[island911]

THe hypocracy from some here, is too much.

Mul can hold his own, just fine. .. .and obviously is NOT being ignored. His points are, perhaps being ignored. . . that's just sad . ..
Like I sad: When all you can do is change the subject; it would seem you lost BIG.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
Exactly my comment about Mul's 2-line response. The economy is booming? Where?How?

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - From July through September, the pace of hiring in the United States is projected to be as strong as it is in the second quarter.

That's the finding of a survey of 16,000 U.S. employers released Tuesday by Milwaukee-based temporary staffing company Manpower Inc.

"In our second quarter survey, U.S. employers reported the strongest employment outlook since early 2001. The fact that employers expect to hire at the same pace in the third quarter suggests that they continue to feel confident," said Manpower's CEO Jeffrey A. Joerres in a statement.
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