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island911 07-22-2004 07:23 PM

No, because the Bush sympathizers would have had it out closer to the election.

Mulholland 07-22-2004 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by island911
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Mule 07-23-2004 12:44 PM

ANOTHER vast right wing conspiracy I guess!

fintstone 07-25-2004 11:10 AM

Kerry Anti-Terror Plan Removed From Campaign Web Site After Berger Revelation
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
July 22, 2004

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Shortly after news broke that former Clinton administration National Security Advisor Samuel "Sandy" Berger was being investigated by the Justice Department for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives, the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) removed its anti-terror plan from its web site.

Republicans have suggested that the information contained in the documents was used to formulate Kerry's policy, but are limited in proving those charges because the material is still classified. The sudden disappearance of the policy from the campaign web site that coincided with Berger's dismissal supports Republicans' contention that the purloined data formed the basis of at least part of the Democratic candidate's homeland security program.

The link to the policy is now defunct, but the original page was temporarily preserved in a Google cache. The Kerry release outlining the policy is also archived on the conservative discussion board FreeRepublic.com (web site).

Key portions of the policy removed from the web site included the following three passages:

-- Increase Port Security and Accelerate Border Security. Currently, 95% of all non-North American U.S. trade moves by sea, concentrated mostly in a handful of ports. John Kerry believes improvements in port security must be made, while recognizing that global prosperity and America's economic power depends on an efficient system. Kerry's plan would develop standards for security at ports and other loading facilities for containers and assure facilities can meet basic standards. To improve security in commerce, John Kerry believes we should accelerate the timetable for the action plans agreed to in the U.S.-Canada and U.S.-Mexico "smart border" accords as well as implement security measures for cross-border bridges. Finally John Kerry will pursue modest safety standards for privately held infrastructure and will help owners find economical ways to pay for increased security.

-- Secure Nuclear Power Plants, Nuclear Weapons Facilities and Chemical Facilities. John Kerry will appoint an Energy Secretary who takes nuclear plant security seriously and ensures meticulous follow-up to any security violations. He would also order an immediate review of engagement orders and weaponry for plant guards, and ensure attack simulation drills be as realistic as possible. A Kerry Administration would ensure that security of our nuclear weapons facilities is a U.S. government responsibility -- not cede it to private contractors as the Bush Administration considered doing. A Kerry Administration will tighten security at chemical facilities across the nation that produce or store chemicals, focusing first on facilities in major urban areas where millions of Americans live within the circle of vulnerability.

-- Tighten Aviation Security and Combat Threats to Civilian Aircraft. John Kerry will close loopholes in existing regulations on cargo carried by passenger flights and increase the reliability of new screening procedures. Kerry will increase perimeter inspections of U.S. airports and work with international aviation authorities to make sure the same standards are in place at all international airports. He will work with our allies to crackdown on the sale of shoulder-fired missiles that could be used in an attack on civilian aircraft, and are sold on the black market.

The Kerry campaign did not respond to a Talon News inquiry about the removal of the link from the web site.

Instead of reviewing documents for the 9/11 Commission investigation, Republicans suggested that Berger used the information from the National Archives to help the Kerry campaign.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) said, "Reportedly these documents related to homeland security and then suddenly we see that the Kerry campaign came forward with what may have been illegal documents. This is sensitive stuff and was a significant breach of security."

"Kerry knows better than to use these documents," Chambliss added.

Berger admitted to removing documents from the National Archives on five separate occasions, but maintains that it was "inadvertent."

Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) believes otherwise, saying, "There is a curious connection between the removal of these documents and the Kerry press conference on port security. It's disappointing what people might do as they try to take the president down."

Berger had been the dominant national security advisor to Sen. Kerry and was suggested by some as a potential Secretary of State in a Kerry administration, something that now appears unlikely no matter what the outcome of November's election.

When asked by NBC if he was aware of the investigation, Kerry said, "I didn't have a clue."

Democrats tried to deflect the damaging revelation by claiming its timing was politically motivated.

"Somebody leaked it obviously with an intent to do damage to Mr. Berger, and that's unfortunate," Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) said. "I think the timing of all this is curious. Berger deserves the benefit of the doubt until the investigation is complete."

Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the Justice Department to produce documents about any correspondence with the White House on the investigation. He is accusing Republicans of a "smear campaign" against Berger.

McAuliffe has great cause for concern since two important Kerry advisors have been damaged in the past two weeks.

Former Ambassador Joe Wilson was discredited by a Senate Intelligence Committee report that contradicted Wilson's public statements about how he was selected for a sensitive mission to Niger in 2002 and the results of his report about Saddam Hussein's attempt to purchase uranium in Africa. Wilson represented his investigation as proof that President Bush misled the United States in making the case for the invasion of Iraq. An investigation into British intelligence confirms that Bush's claim was "well founded."

While political reactions to the Berger affair are predictably mixed, there is no doubt that the former national security advisor broke the law. The documents he removed carry the highest classifications for secrecy: code word clearance.

Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) called Berger's actions "just a third-rate burglary."

But former FBI agent G. Gordon Liddy disagrees, calling it a grave transgression against national security. Liddy wonders why the Justice Department has not arrested Berger for having admitted to committing five felonies.

Liddy pointed out that Berger is the second Clinton official to face prosecution for withdrawing classified materials from secure premises. Former CIA director John Deutsch was pardoned by President Clinton in the final hours of his second term and spared from suffering any punishment for having taken laptops with classified materials to his home in 1996.

Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) questioned Berger's motivation for the thefts.

He said, "What in heaven's name was he thinking? What is so important that he would risk both his reputation and prosecution to remove these documents? What's there to hide?"

He added, "There is no one with his experience who can claim that these are the actions of an absent-minded employee. Sandy Berger knows better."

Foley recalled the final days of the Clinton administration when he said, "And we thought it was bad when they were only stealing furniture."

CamB 07-25-2004 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fintstone
Republicans have suggested that the information contained in the documents was used to formulate Kerry's policy, but are limited in proving those charges because the material is still classified. The sudden disappearance of the policy from the campaign web site that coincided with Berger's dismissal supports Republicans' contention that the purloined data formed the basis of at least part of the Democratic candidate's homeland security program.
Hmmmm, seeems to suggest that:

(a) Berger had a motive (make himself look good/useful to Kerry campaign); and
(b) that the motive pretty much rules out Clinton coverup, 9/11 Commission discrediting conspiracy theories.

lendaddy 07-25-2004 04:43 PM

I think there are a ton of unknowns here. Alot of unanswered questions as well. the only thing I believe we know is that he took classified docs and he knew better. Is there ANYONE here on either side the believes his "I just accidentally took them" line? We can't really ***** about his not going to jail yet as there is an active investigation going so maybe he will. It is pretty pathetic no matter how you slice it. As a side note, I cannot imagine a scenario for taking these that isn't atleast a little sinister.

Moneyguy1 07-25-2004 11:50 PM

G.Gordon Liddy still around? My God, does ANYONE sane who was around during Watergate believe anything that man has to say?

To those not around at the time, G. Gordon spent some quality time behind bars after being convicted of helping plan the breakin of the Democrat National Committee at the Watergate. Now he spends his time apparently revising history that, rather that planting electronic survellience, they were just looking for photos of women the DNC was using as bait to reel in unsuspecting good Republicans.

Between him, Ollie, and a few others, we certainly have some real patriots out there!!!

Wow.

Well, I suppose "stealing" a few copies of documents is right up there with all the other political crimes....

I will say it again..

There is enough stink to stick to everyone.

island911 07-25-2004 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
. ..
Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) called Berger's actions "just a third-rate burglary." . ..

OUCH, that had ta hurt. :D

Mulholland 07-26-2004 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Wow.

Well, I suppose "stealing" a few copies of documents is right up there with all the other political crimes....

I will say it again..

There is enough stink to stick to everyone.
Since the Democrats are still yelling, every chance they get, at what a criminal Nixon was...It seems, in order to be consistent, we should look at the Clinton crimes, the Berger crimes, the illegal raising of Chinese Military money, the Pardons, the rape, the pattern sexual harassment, the obstruction of justice, it perpetuity also....It is only fair isn't it?

In Filegate alone (Clinton administration illegally obtaining 900 FBI files on political enemies) the Clinton administration surpassed Nixon's coverup of crimes.

FTR -- The Clinton Administration criminality made Nixon and Co. look like BoyScouts.

Ollie North?....The guy's motive was to save American's from death and torture...It worked.

fintstone 10-04-2004 09:11 PM

SECURITY BREECHES
Feds say Berger
still under probe
Former security adviser
took classified documents

Posted: October 4, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The criminal investigation of former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger – accused of pocketing highly classified terrorism documents prior to the Sept. 11 Commission hearings – has disappeared from media coverage but not from the federal government's agenda.

A spokesman from the Department of Justice told WND that a criminal investigation was ongoing, but he would not provide details about the nature or timing of the probe.

Berger, who had served as national security adviser to John Kerry's campaign, was reported in July to be under investigation for removing the documents and handwritten notes from a secure reading room at the National Archives.

Berger was there at the request of former President Clinton, who asked him to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission.

FBI agents searched his home and office after he voluntarily returned some documents. But some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration were found to be missing.

Berger and his lawyer admit he knowingly removed handwritten notes he made while reading classified anti-terror documents by sticking them in his jacket, pants and socks. They said he also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.

"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," Berger said in a statement.

Although Berger says he has resigned from his informal post as adviser to Kerry, he stated in a speech last week that if the Massachusetts senator wins the election, it is possible the decision to reduce U.S. troops in Korea would be reconsidered, The Chosun Ilbo newspaper of South Korea reported.

In a keynote address for an international symposium hosted by Johns Hopkins University and the Maeil Business Newspaper, Berger said pulling 12,000 troops out of Korea at a time when Koreans were openly raising doubts about the Korea-U.S. relationship was sending a bad signal to Koreans, the Korean newspaper said.

Berger believes direct talks between the U.S. and North Korea are needed to solve the North Korean nuclear issue.

djmcmath 10-04-2004 10:46 PM

Maybe a dumb question, but how do you "inadvertently" or "sloppily" stuff a handwritten note from a secure conference room into your sock? :confused:

Dan

island911 10-04-2004 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by island911
.. .
No doubt the Bush team would have liked to have it come out late October.
. . .

Was I right, or what? . ..it's now October and this story is completly off the main-stream map. Dem's are saying "Sandy who?"

I'm sure nothing will come of this. It will be simply explained away, when we learn that Sandy, "stuffed them in his pockets, BEFORE he stuffed them in his socks."

.. And since we all know how easy it is to inadvertently stuff documents in pockets . . . well, you should see Sandy's desk. . .he's so messy . .. har har har. . .we all get a good laugh.:rolleyes:

cegerer 10-05-2004 04:42 AM

No different than DNCBS's Dan Rather and the rest of the liberal media banning any coverage of Ralph Nader this year. When's the last time anybody heard anything about him? Last election, he was the media darling ..... until they figured out he might damage the Democrat's chance at the White House. :rolleyes:

djmcmath 10-05-2004 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by cegerer
When's the last time anybody heard anything about him?
Ralph who?

(sarcastic) Say, are you suggesting that the mainstream media might be marginally biased? (/sarcastic)

Dan

Mulhollanddose 09-08-2005 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
I think there are a ton of unknowns here. Alot of unanswered questions as well. the only thing I believe we know is that he took classified docs and he knew better. Is there ANYONE here on either side the believes his "I just accidentally took them" line? We can't really ***** about his not going to jail yet as there is an active investigation going so maybe he will. It is pretty pathetic no matter how you slice it. As a side note, I cannot imagine a scenario for taking these that isn't atleast a little sinister.
Former Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger pled guilty on April 1 to smuggling five classified documents, including a highly secret memorandum, out of the National Archives related to the Clinton administration’s response to terrorism. Berger, who was preparing for his testimony before the 9/11 Commission at the time, later destroyed the documents, shredding them with scissors at his office, and lied to investigators.

While Berger will not be sentenced until July 8, government prosecutors have requested no jail time — just a $10,000 fine and the temporary removal of his security clearance.

The National Ledger

I guess the bar on treason has been lowered.

Joeaksa 09-08-2005 01:31 PM

Look here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/240010-sandy-berger-50k-fine-loses-security-clearance.html

He was just fined $50k and loses any access to classified materials for 3 years.

Joe A


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