You're into posting chick-picks as arguments these days, Steve?

Steve:

And you point is....?

Happened in 1987 fer crying out loud...It was stupid then, is stupid today..Does anyone really care?

When was the last time ANYONE heard a "mea culpa" from a public figure? Not Clinton, not Bush....Not Cheney....

Issues, man....Issues..

Anything positive to talk about?

Jeeez...

Al Sharpton is held up high by the Dems. Just like Bill Clinton. I guess being a lair is a favored trait to the Dems.

Boy, I sure see the word "liar" used alot on this board by people who don't like Democrats. So one side tells the truth, and the other is entirelly represented by liars. Hmmmmm?

I also see alot of terms like Socialist, Islamofascist, and commie thown around by, ahem, well, no names required.

I even heard the "Hitler" reference...along with a "remember he was a Socialist." Or something like that...correct me if I am wrong, please. Am I to suppose the this inference and linkage denotes a certain "marriage" of traits because of a Democrat's (F'ing Liberals!) location on the epistomological continuum? (I think it did). Nice connection! (not)

Well, since I have seen the term (Islamo) "Fascist" and the name Hitler brought up, albeit not TOGETHER, as they should be (after all, that defined him MUCH more than being a Socialist), I figured I would provide a little illumination on this term (Fascist).


Check it out: http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm


Draw your own conclusions.

Hope is on the way!

BTW - Finished putting the Carrera tail on tonight:

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But Republicans never lie, like Nixon, Haldeman, Liddy....

My oh my, how convenient a short memory can be.

Look, Steve, on a civil note, anyone can dig up individuals to bolster their own case. I insist that both major parties have had liars and exaggerators.

How does garbage dumping help clarify the issues of here and now?

I will keep up the drumbeat...Issues, issues, issues.

Personal attacks are not issues and there are too many of them. And, oftimes personal issues are the only thing that can be used when there are no positive accomplishments to brag about.

What are the clearly measurable accomplishments? What are the differences between the two platforms?

Who can do the job better and WHY? Not "XXX is a jerk" answers.

huh.. . . I think your a bit off, on your criticism. . . the dem's ("leaders") are nothing more than attention-whores. *THat* is why the dem's (front-runners) have respect for him . . .he's skilled at getting attention.

As fintstone, and others have pointed-out, the dem's (front-runners) are all about selling themselves. . .tell people meaningless crap like "he earned his medals the old-fashioned way" -THK(wtf?) . . .or "we ought to have less (insert bad thing) and more (insert goodthing)" --mind-blowing insight :rolleyes:

First we had dem's on board with "Bush -"the big fat liar" . . . '''grandpa Prescot worked for Hitler. . ." GW is Hitler, ect.. ..

And now . . . It is interesting to see the different reactions here.

Outstanding car, Dave (if I may interrupt the name-calling for a second). Signal yellow?
Oh, and 'liar'? That's middle of the road and weak, in Mul's book. It's got to be at least a punishable action, like murder and treason. He doesn't want to discuss, he wnats to eliminate.

Island - I agree. I've seen all of the same terms used by Dem's.
Not defending them, but primarliiy reacting to posts I read on this thread earlier today while I was at work, and could not respond.

I don't think Bush is comparable to Hitler, BTW. That's pretty over the top.

Regarding the article in my previous post - I thought the conclusion was certaily thought provoking (a little alarmist, perhaps, but interesting):


An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad, it's here at home.


Have a nice evening - Dave, out.

Still waiting...if these are your feeble attempts at Rush "lies", I would like some context...

eg..."I am going to say this one more time...I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky, not a single time, never."

Gahead.

I do believe that the Democrat leadership are malevolent, intentionally deceptive, slanderous, class-warfarists, race-baiters, thieves, crooks and treasonous (stabbing a sitting President in the back during war-time is treasonous - if you are lying to do it).
He attempted. It was a noble undertaking opposed by ignoble countries that had their hands too deep in the Iraqi pot to be credible...But he did try and patiently.
Saddam had close associations with Al Qaeda. He had at the very least a strong inclination to housing or developing WMDs that he would have gladly armed our enemies with to deliver to our shores. He ignored the treaties post-Kuwait. He had a history of using chemical weapons. He had rape rooms, prisons for children, torture chambers, cut of limbs, cut of hands, cut out tongues, slaughtered over 300,000 people (see mass graves) and starved untold millions to death as he cashed in on the "oil for rotten food" scam.

Saddam had the ability, everyone from France to Russia to Kofi Annan to the corrupted Clinton Administration agreed.
France, Germany and Russia are the the countries that had the most lucrative deals with Saddam...It was all about oil with these folks...And since when did France, Germany and Russia have the moral high ground?...Sometime after fascism and communism?...Sometimes after we kicked their ass and freed their people?

Never forget, we liberated men, women and children to the tune of 50,000,000 people in Iraq and Afghanistan...I think our world wide total of people liberated by America closes in on 1,000,000,000 people
So Clinton has the moral high ground and wasn't trying to mislead?...The guy was impeached for deception, held in contempt, disbarred, sold pardons to corporate crooks, felons, drug dealers and even TERRORISTS...Clinton let Osama slip through his fingers and failed his main job of seeing to America's security...Clinton's National Security Advisor is a criminal.
No, he came right out and said it, but since when was Rush in elected office?

I can't be bothered rebutting. You're so biased it isn't worth answering.

No wait, I'll say one thing:

I think our world wide total of people liberated by America closes in on 1,000,000,000 people

Quite right. And thanks to the attitude of people like you towards the rest of the world, America "earns" back its bad reputation.

Liberal and left wing ideas ideas, and their politicians, have considerably more to offer than lies and corruption --> if you can't recognise that you are either blind to reason and/or devoid of compassion. I haven't seen you acknowledge a single liberal idea, or person, as having merit.

Not one.

Name me one, and back it up with verified statistical improvement of intended target problem...Let's narrow the research to America please.

Affirmative action?

Welfare?

Abortion?

Graft?

You name it and substantiate it...Our most funded school systems are the greatest failures...Welfare encourages the problem it intends to solve...Abortion has done absolutely nothing for the welfare of children, unwed mothers or unwanted children...Affirmative action descriminates against every race except blacks and in the process lowers their competitive standards to achieve it...Graft?

The truth is biased, bigoted, hard and cold...get used to it.

Attacking the arguer rather than the argument.

One of the last stands of a charlitan.

I would love to assemble a list of ad hominum attacks by each side and compare them as to number and viciousness.

Facts are apparently irrelevant.

"In 1987, Sharpton helped fuel a sad and racially divisive hoax. For weeks, he grabbed headlines and the nightly news spotlight as the chief spokesman for Tawana Brawley, the black teenager from Wappingers Falls who claimed she was kidnapped by a gang of white men. She said that after the men raped her, they stuffed her in a plastic bag, smeared her with feces and wrote racial epithets on her skin. If that wasn't bizarre enough, Sharpton made the additional claim that one of the attackers was a Dutchess County prosecutor, Steven Pagones.

The story was painfully disturbing — and it was false. A state attorney general's investigation determined that Brawley had fabricated the story to avoid being punished by her parents for staying out late."



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To make it easier on your sensibilities, why don't we narrow down the ad hominum attacks and viciousness to elected officials...This should make it much easier for you, if you are right (which you are not), because the non-elected liberal talking-loud-mouths are by far the most vicious ad hominum spewing malcontents on the planet.

What you will find, further, is Republican criticism is founded in Democrat criminality and facts, whereas Democrat criticism is founded in defensiveness and petty unfounded insults.

The chances of this statement being true is nil.

In fact, even with "generally" inserted in there, I'm not so sure it could ever be true.

Liberal ideas

Let's start with ... health. Would you prefer:

a) user pays, 100% (ie insurance, if you've got it)
b) government funded, flat tax
c) government funded, progressive tax

Presumably aimed at me. :)

Its true - I've essentially given up. Mul is so angry about... everything not in accordance with his own views that I no longer have the energy.

Mul - why are you so angry (about everything?).

"the most crooked, you know, lying group of people I've ever seen," -- John "I respect Sandy Berger" Kerry

This from a guy who brought a super-8 to Vietnam, reenacted his heroism, cut-and-ran, stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back, threw his medal away and has them hanging on his wall, married 2 millionairesses, supported the Sandanistas and has taken both sides of every issue.

Lies and corruption, graft and socialism, treason and treachery...Concentrated in the Democrat party.

I am mad at liberal politicians and propagandists who have taught Americans to hate themselves and their country. I am mad at liberals taxing the productive and rewarding the indolent. I am mad at oppressive taxation that hamstrings people from lifting themselves out of poverty. I am mad at public education used as indoctrination and dumbing down American students. I am mad at union thugs strong arming companies, driving up prices and forcing employment out of the country. I am mad at trial lawyers driving up medical costs and frivilously suing innocent people because they have deep pockets. I am mad that teachers unions are more concerned with more teachers than teaching children. I am mad that there are federal, state and local government employees that have an incestuous relationship with big-government. I am mad at the Clinton regime dragging the Presidency through the mud, selling pardons to corporate crooks, felons, drug dealers and terrorists. I am mad at Democrats destroying the black culture with welfare and entitlements. I am mad at the 50+ million babies murdered for profit. I am mad at Democrat crooks given a pass. I am mad at Ted Kennedy for murdering Mary Kopekne. I am mad at Al Sharpton for race-baiting and slander. I am mad at Al Gore for trying to steal the election in 2000. I am mad at Jesse Jackson shaking down corporations as a vocation. I am mad that a KKK member is a senior Democrat known as the "conscience of the Senate."

Just the short list.

just making sure you don't forget that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex. The Nat'l Education Ass is probably the largest union in the country and has veto power to the Dem Nat'l Comm in-state political programs. The NEA, aka Nat'l Extortion Ass,. is scamming paying taxes on political programs and everybody + the IRS knows it.. go figure.

I don't know really where to start with that list :D. I might try and break it down:

1) Welfare and tax to pay for it (mad at tax, rewarding indolent, tax holding people in poverty, destroying black culture through welfare & entitlements).

I don't think the majority of people on welfare like it. It isn't an awful lot of money, and is a pretty grim existence - this is not rewarding indolence. Tax doesn't hold people in poverty - it might hold them in the middle class but not in poverty (the bottom earners pay no net tax). If there are tax cuts, it is basically certain that someone lower down the socioeconomic misses out --> who needs it more - the truck driver with three kids in Louisiana or the person getting the cut?

We have a similar debate in NZ about our equivalent of affirmative action and welfare dependance amongst the Maori people. There is no simple answer - the fact is that Maori in NZ and African Americans in the US are overrepresented in lower socioeconomic groups. I take the view (barely - it is intellectually difficult for me) that race-based funding is a means to an end. It isn't the most equitable but I think it may well be more efficient.

2) Unions and Education, govt employees

I'm with you on the unions - if they gain too much power then their benefits in preventing genuine exploitation of workers can easily be outweighed. If teachers there are anything like NZ, they are grossly underpaid -- I think this contributes to poor education standards. I dunno about your teachers union problems. In NZ, socio-economic level plays a huge factor in the outcomes of schooling - I expect it is the same in the US. Fixing education isn't easy. You can really only blame the curriculum if comparing 100% state vs 100% private, and I don't think a change of curriculum is gonna fix it.

Big govt makes more big govt, until someone cleans it out - then service levels suffer. I don't have an answer for that...

Note that I think the problems you have with education and big govt are equal (or close enough) under Democrat and Republican.

3) Trial Lawyers, Abortion

Agree 100%. Your legal system is screwed, and abortion (for me 100% of the time) sucks.

4) Other

You have some problems with certain personalities ;).

Clinton dragging presidency through the mud? Not the first, may not have been the worst, and won't be the last. Besides, he did some good stuff too.

You should forgive Byrd, and try and assess him on his merits now (you are ok with doing that for Bush, for instance). Byrd says a lot of very well thought out stuff, and his past doesn't detract from what he is saying.

Be mad at Kennedy, Gore and Jackson all you like :) I couldn't care less.

Personally, Mul? I'd try to get help. With so many things that make you mad, and so little hope of having all, or even a fraction of them, changed in your life time, you're looking at a life of misery.
Alternatively, you could try to buy a Porsche. Works for most people. Get a Targa (it's an open top model), cruise around a bit, listen to the motor. Very hard to be mad at the world after that.
Just don't forget to have it registered and insured. Otherwise the left-wing police is going to bust you!

My god, the horror :eek:
There are two of them.
And they are millionairesses .
When will this nightmare end? :rolleyes:

I'm mad at paint.

Yankee911 = pot, kettle, black.

what color?

I think Mul is funny. And I feel lucky I can laugh about and at him. He reminds me of my avatar. On a bad day, my avatar becomes arrogant and self-righteous. He is selfish and also extremely paranoid. And overall, he is ignorant of the larger picture and problem - which is himself. But without seeing that, my avatar flails and flails and shouts louder and louder until he doesn't realize he's truly become a one-character circus sideshow.

Being mad is one thing, but sitting there and stewing about it, or extrapolating anger onto a web board where no one takes the rants and raves seriously because of its tone, is wasted effort. His diatribe about the horrors of the world and how they can be pointed to a political party are sad, dysfunctional and paranoid. Therefore, for conjecture's sake, I decided for just a moment to put myself in Mul's shoes:

If I were Mul, what would truly make me mad is the following:

1) I live in Los Angeles and near enough gays and lesbians to not just make me utterly sick, but to grow concerned as to how their illicit habits might effect my own sexuality.

2) I dislike Jews. Being pro-Israel only has to do with the fact I also dislike Arabs and anyone else of the broader Islamic faith.

3) Closer to home, I'm sick and tired of freeloading Mexicans not speaking English, even though they cut my lawn and clean my toilets. Yes, at the day's end, I appreciate their work, though I still hold disdain as to how they live off the fruits of my labor, while remaining unable to tell me if my azelias are dying or not.

4) I'm hypocritical: I should be driving an American 5.0 Mustang instead of a Japanese Subaru.

5) I am (KK)Klanish, because I feel as a white man, I'm being squeezed out of what I am entitled to.

6) I fear the world is coming to get me, and that the elimination of constitutional rights and obliterating entire infrastructures of countries, including my own, remains the only way to protect myself.

7) I use Christianity and conservatism as convenient cloaks under which I can hide my fears, but also dispatch them when needed to to those who I hope are of like mind.

I could go on, but Mul already knows he's afraid - at least that's what I take from his writings on these threads. So why needle him further?

As to whether Mul's traits are found in all Christians and/or Republicans, I know they're not; so it's hard to regard Mul as either. He simply sounds scared. Of what, who really knows? But he must know there's an enemy out there - one he can't see, and that has to make him even more frightened.

My advice is this: look in the mirror: the enemy may just be that face that's blinking back at you.

More advice: you should leave Los Angeles. Demographically, you have too much against you as is.

Otherwise, best wishes with your one-man show. SmileWavy

If I named a particular color, they'ed call me a colorracist. Therefore, I shall be angry at all paint colors equally.


BTW, some of my best friends are paint.

George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator." December 18, 2001

http://www.newsgateway.ca/bush_dictator.htm

not for nothing.. but if advertising is related to sales then the Dems are looking real good.. and it's a growing wave of money.

I think after both conventions the real dirty advertising is going to happen. Again, the profile of the swing voter is not to decide till within 2 weeks of the election.

"For years, the Clinton administration covered-up China's theft of top secret U.S. nuclear weapons data. They never informed the Congress or American people about what had happened or its significance to our national security.

"Let me tell you what President Clinton did during this period of time:

-- During this period of time, the President misled the American people on numerous occasions about the threat posed by strategic nuclear missiles in the post-Cold War era.

-- During this period of time, President Clinton made statements on over 130 separate occasions, such as the following:

"For the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there is not a single solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not a single one." -- William J. Clinton

-- During this period of time, he knew that China was targeting up to 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles at American children.

Courtesy of Senator Ihofe.

"For the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there is not a single solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not a single one." -- William J. Clinton

130 times he said this, and every time he knew it was a lie...Bill Clinton violated campaign finance laws and raked in millions from the Chinese government through Charlie Trie, Maria Hsai and John Huang...In turn the Chinese Military received ICBM technology and super computers.

Ron Brown (Bill Clinton's Commerce Secretary) loosened trade restrictions to allow Loral to trade missile technology to China, against the best advice from the CIA, and later ended up dead of a mysterious plane crash....I guess he knew too much.

Ah, Senator Ihofe... voted "the stupidest man in both houses" by the readers of Slate after his performance on the Abu Ghraib panel.

No?...Democrats calling a Republican stupid?...Wow, how unique.

I notice you didn't question the substance, only the source...You need another source confirming the content?

Of course you don't.


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Yeah, Mul had a brief emotional effect on me when I thought he might be persuaded to settle down and join our discussion. But he's not going to do that, so trying to address his remarks is trying to discuss wage laws with business groups. Those groups have no intention of, or interest in, making those laws work better. You cannot negotiate with anarchists toward making things better. They have the opposite agenda.

But there is freedom in understanding this. For example, it is very easy now for me to see the humor in Mul's posts.

Right Supe...keep voting for big-abortion and Sodom and Gamorrha West...See ya on judgement day.

I am quitely confident that my position of voting for politicians who support same sex unions and abortions will not jeapordise anything.

There is plenty of other stuff to do "right" and not do "wrong". These aren't the only sins.