Democratic Convention -- What's the point?
 

"FOUR DAYS" !?

I just heard Ter-eeez-zaa Heinz Kerry go on about "John's smile. . . going to Saturn, Jupiter (What, no Uranus?) . ..aren't we all so wonderful. . . yadda yadda. No substance, just filler.

So what do they say for FOUR DAYS!? Why does anyone listen?

I would think that a test-tone would be as about worthwhile.

Well, the Republican Convention will go on for three days. Is the extra day what makes one a test-tone and one a worthy event?

I'm not saying the Republican Convention is a worthy event.

Though it is a bit more respectable of the Republicans keeping their test-tone short.

Though, the Bush team does have more to talk about than 3, 30 years ago. :rolleyes:


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Funny, island, I would have thought you'd be rivited by the action--open-minded and generally interested as you are. Never expected a critical word from you about the convention.

"rivited by the action" - Ha! :cool:

This convention is about two johns and a lot of bull*****.

I was absolutely captivated by Clinton, I must say. That lying POS could sell icecubes to Eskimos.

Rush Limbaugh slaughtered Clinton today with how own words


Assertion #1: Clinton claims the Bush administration "walked away from our allies in attacking Iraq,"

There are in fact four of these, actually five of these. In this one paragraph there are five assertions made that are totally inaccurate. They're totally wrong -- and I just need to close the loop on the first one. This is where Clinton claims the Bush administration walked away from our allies in attacking Iraq. We did not walk away from allies! We begged; we went to the UN. We spent 14 months at the United Nations trying to put together a coalition. We walked away from nothing, but at some point the president decides that the defense of this country is our responsibility and he's not going to leave it up to France and Germany. France and Germany made an aggressive and conscious effort to undermine our efforts at the United Nations, and I wonder this. Why exactly does President Clinton side with the French and the Germans rather than his own country, particularly when the merits of the argument are on the side of his own country?

Actually stopped what I was doing (installing a Carrera Tail ) to watch Obama and Heinz-Kerry speak.

Worth every minute.

Obama - very karismatic. Heard him referred to as a "Tiger Woods". Interesting to see if he can deliver on that analogy as his carreer progresses.

First time I have seen Heinz-Kerry , and I was impressed. I can see why the Republicans tried to recruit her as a Senator after her 1st husband died. She's a sharp cookie with determination and HP. Glad she turned them down.

She would make a great first lady IMHO.SmileWavy

Obama is the real deal. I saw him a couple of time here in Chicago. Very impressive, very honest, brutally bright. I'm sure Mul and Rush will find out that he did horrible things while at Harvard or accuse him of abandoning his family in Kenya, but he'll go a long way.

Yes, he is going to be the one everyone has their eyes on.

Liked Reagan's speech, as well. Great message.

I think it was worth it just to hear Teresa say "Shove it!" What an accent! Sort of like a pissed-off Barbara Eden.

Kerry doesn't appear to be much of a leader when Clinton is around.

But you have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House. So maybe Kerry will create his own scandals to sway the independants? If the Dems get bored without any new scandals Hillary is in waiting.. and her 10pc crooked record is wild entertainment. Then you have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person...

no problem http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat3.gif

But the problem with the "shove it" comment was that she did indeed say "anti-American." The reporter humbly - almost demurely - asked her what she meant and she snapped and went at the guy aggressively. She then attempted to impugn him because he was from one of the 1% of newspapers that has a conservative bend.

After JFKerry (he is historically fond of his initials don't ya know) fell several times snowboarding, was confronted by reporters about falling, his response was "I never fall, that son of a b!tch tripped me" (or something like that - regarding his Secret Service detail).

Two for two...Two megalomaniac opportunists not admitting their faults and snapping at innocent bystanders...Dangerous.

The moment something comes out that is credible Beet, believe me, that very moment...Rush Limbaugh doesn't have his massive listenership for making historical errors. Conservatives hate being misled, Democrats have to mislead in order to get any traction.

My only criticism of Obama is he looks really really angry, and that scares me in a black man (or white man for that matter).

Oh ya, and he is a ultra-leftist (sorta mainstream nowadays, I know)

Well, Mul, I'm not going to go as far as characterize both by their use of foul language - it's actually quite refreshing. After all, who gives a damn about the high road anymore? Any high road for that matter.

I think the "shove it" useage entailed how she presented what she called un-American. "Un-American actions" and "un-American activities" was the discrepancy, as I heard it. But I don't know - I like a little fire in the first lady. That way I don't mind despising them for being loudmouths once their boys are put in office.

What sickens me is the way CNN is fawning all over Kerry et al, Clinton, and the rest. Please! One wouldn't think the network was once owned by ultra-liberal Ted Turner, would they?

Nor did I, again I am more concerned about the context, and the irrational reaction in that context, than the content of what was said.

I suppose I like a little fire also, but when properly placed...Dick Cheney telling Patrick "leaky" Leahy to F himself for trying to photo-op with him, after Leahy consistently lying and stabbing Cheney in the back, is a justified reaction and consistent with righteous fire.

On the senate floor?? Whatever...
Calling Obama angry is a knee-jerk, pre-Birmingham reaction. Coming from you, the most epithet-laden, swear-word spewing poster on the BBS, it's just laughable.

Okay. Yours is one interpretation. What I heard was Cheney had continually accused Leahy of being a "bad Catholic" in regard to some ultra right wing religious issue or the other. Leahy brought this up to Cheney while both were on the floor, and Cheney replied in kind.

As for H-K, she looked as if she was as much being badgered as she was trying to defend herself. Who knows? Maybe something was lost in the accent.

What I take from both incidents is that both incidents result from frustration. H-K is frustrated that she was misinterpreted, and Cheney is frustrated that he and the administration misinterpreted the importance of beginning a war that hasn't yet gone well.

Hmmm...you got that feeling too, huh? Next thing you know the German Shepards and fire trucks will be called out...

I knew it...it's Hitler Time!

Patrick Leahy got his name, "leaky Leahy" for leaking classified information while on the Intelligence Committee. He resigned in disgrace. The remarks made by Cheney were not during session...Much different.

My knee only jerks when I am kicking some liberals ass with facts.

So, what did you think about Ted "swimmer" Kennedy flubbing the word "suburb" today?...Drunk?...Stupid?...Incompetent?...All of the above?...If that was Bush we wouldn't hear the end of it.

I don't think anyone takes Teddy seriously anymore. He's a wastrel. Gore's heading that direction too. Teddy blew his wad in '80. Gore '00. They're just icons now.

Here is what Osama said at an anti-America anti-war pro-communist gathering of...

"What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income ... to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression." -- Barack Obama

Lies, class-warfare, race-baiting, scare-tactics, anti-capitalism, slander and propaganda...all in one paragraph...Hitler would be proud.

Yes, another liberal star is born.

You are such a loser, Mul. A guy criticises the president and you compare him to Hitler?
Oh right, I forgot, you get your history lessons from Prof. 'Oxy' Limbaugh...

No, my tolerant liberal friend, I compare Hitler to Obama for using unfounded agit-prop to divide this nation with "lies, class-warfare, race-baiting, scare-tactics, anti-capitalism, slander and propaganda."

Demonizing the opposition is part-and-parcel of socialist propaganda since the beginning. Hitler did it well and Democrats have it mastered.

I thought Barack Obama was right on track with his speech.
Too bad Rush is still even on the radio the drug addict.
The GOP ads are nothing but a bunch of lies, slander and propaganda so I guess....Hitler would be proud of Bush.

For instance? (I am asking you for specifics here)

You do know that the Jews are widely supported by Bush and Republicans don't you?...You do know that Hitler was a socialist don't you?...You do know that Hitler confiscated guns don't you?...You do know that Hitler hated Christianity don't you? (these questions are rhetorical)

You're a piece of work. You compare an African-American Harvard graduate to Hitler for speaking his mind in a perfectly civilzed way (well, maybe 'hack' is a little harsh on Rove, how about: baby-faced Rasputin), and then you accuse him for demonizing the opposition.
Arguments are not by him who shouts 'you're a Nazi' first, or who shouts loudest. That's infantile. Par for the course for you, of course.

I think this comparison comes from just as much hatred as you are accusing the speaker of. And while I never heard his speech, I feel certain he said nothing to suggest what you say above as being the language of Hitler.

I mean, honestly, who really is the racist? Who is the Hitler? The speaker or the commentator?

What do you call this?

"What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income ... to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression." -- Barack Obama

At the very least it is unfounded and empirically inaccurate, deceptive and intended to elicit a manipulated perception.

It is not just Barack that I criticize...I indict the whole Democrat party...They have done nothing but willfully divide the nation with distortions and proven inaccuracies, and then maliciously blame Republicans for dividing, not uniting.

Very sKerry.

I am a Christian, limited-government, pro-gun, anti-abortion, pro-family values, pro-Israel, flag-waving patriot...Far from a socialist of Hitler's ilk, Obama's platform much more parallels his than mine.

And from where does the hatred in your language come? Hitler hated. He spoke vividly. He instrumented himself in the killing of millions, too.

Did a speech do that tonight? When I see 6 million Republicans get shoved in an oven, I'll take greater creed with what you've been saying.

There is a difference between speaking well and speaking civilly.

David Duke, Hitler, malcom-x. . .examples of speaking well and speaking non-civilly.

While I'm not for a moment suggesting that Obama is even a significant % like any of those listed, it is true that he promulgates division of culture. Tell me what is civil about that.

Mul has a valid point, about obama. . .even if it is wrapped-up in words that poke.

If this is what the opposition considers a salient argument, I think that we liberals can all just take a nap until November. While keeping an eye on those Diabold voting machines, of course. ;)

Do you not understand the concept of Democracy and winning the hearts and minds of the people in charge? (Voters). If you think that the nut-ball slime that you are leaving on this board is in line w/ the average swing voter, I'm going to bed now. Good night, Gracie. SmileWavy

"He betrayed our Country...He played on our fears!!" -- Al Gore

"Before the war, week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass

Lies, scare-tactics, class-warfare, slander...Aiding and abetting the enemy, dividing the Nation and demoralizing the troops...The Democrat way.

I agree Denis.

I fixed it for you:p

For some people, there is not enough WD40 in the entire world to loosen up the rusted, closed portals to their minds, and not enough ProZac to bring them even close to sanity.

Keep ranting, son.....

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You people are losing it.

No he doesn't. Not even remotely.

The statement from Obama is:

He is opposed to Rove attempting to distract from - insert problems in USA.

- This part is arguably true, and certainly not false.

The facts are ones which could be verified by some form of statistic. You might argue about the statistic, but it is still there.

- So this part isn't "lies" either. It might be deceptive, it might not.

However, on the basis of this short sentence, Jason, you've accused him of:

Lies, class-warfare, race-baiting, scare-tactics, anti-capitalism, slander and propaganda...all in one paragraph...Hitler would be proud.; and

and abetting the enemy, dividing the Nation and demoralizing the troops...The Democrat way.

Not lies. I see no sign at all of race baiting, unless purely by being black, you believe he is race baiting (catch 22 - are you wrong or racist?). Nothing there refers to regulation of capitalism, with the exception of the scandals - in which intervention is warranted.

Slander? I suppose calling Rove a hack is on the way there, but I hope he's not that thin skinned.

What's left? Class warfare - not really. Scare tactics and propoganda - mild, and he is a politician, that's what they (both sides) do (Patriot Act? "Your either for us or against us").

And disagreeing with the opposition party is not aiding and abetting the enemy or dividing the nation. Demoralising the troops? Give me a friggin break.

Finally, way up, you quoted Limbaugh. He had me agreeing, right up until the part where he said that America decided that defending itself was more important than allies. Pre-emptive defence. Pre-emptive defence against a country which wasn't a threat.

Not a threat - doesn't need defending against. Easy.

Jason, I don't know if it is possible to you, but go back over your posts and imagine a Democratic President in power, and a Republican Convention, with Cheney (the equivalent of Edwards - not Obama) saying something negative about that Democratic president.

Can you imagine yourself criticising him?

I didn't think so.

The best of the evening had to be THK. First, did anybody else see her cutesy little peek around the corner when she was announced? Second, she comes out & does all this gesturing that would make Britany Speared proud. Then the best, she introduces herself in this voice reminiscent of Morticia Adams. She then starts her speach. Her manerisms made me think that she is picking up the slack that Limbaugh's rehab left for the oxycontin manufacturers. This woman makes Hillary look like the Virgin Mary. She gives the impression that she places herself high above her husband (and every other American).

The highlights of the speach were:
1.Dear old dad couldn't vote till he was 73. So as a billionaire living in a tin horn dictatorship, was his vote the thing that got his will done in a country worth less than his portfolio?
2. She marched with Nelson Mandella, an avowed communist who although he ended aparthied, turned South Africa into the most dangerous place on earth. Mandella getting rid of aparthied is equivilent to Mussolini making the trains run on time.

This woman is the epitome of the term "aristocratic b**ch" and the more press she gets the worse it is for Skary.