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dillinger 08-05-2004 05:42 PM

Wow, I guess some people have nothing better to do than to call other people names and provoke an arguement. You just proved my point.

This is a political rally not a song. Rock songs throughout history have been political, but it's not like going to a convention.

speeder 08-05-2004 05:43 PM

I'm sure that all of you Republicans have similar harsh words for all of those "I'm an Amurican" country singers that perform at NASCAR races and exercise their free right to support Bush and his war, right? ;)

Tyson Schmidt 08-05-2004 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by djmcmath
If you'd lie about your sex life, what else would you lie about? If your integrity can be sold that cheaply, what else are you willing to sell cheap?



That's just downright lame. There is no-one on this Earth that hasn't lied. What matters is who it affects. I could give a rats ass if George W. is haing an affair right now. If he's caught, and lies to save face, I still don't care. But lying about things that affect the whole world are another matter.

CarreraS2 08-05-2004 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by joeclarke

Bruce is just like me (or wants to be, ahem) - he's a republican that thinks that W has turned against the good of the nation (and of the party) economically, socially and in international relations.

Don't worry - Bruce hasn't gone to the dark side - W has!

Umm, what makes you think Springsteen is a Republican?!?

That's never been my understanding. I've always understood he was a pretty committed Democrat who has never voted for a Republican in his life.

dd74 08-05-2004 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by djmcmath
If you'd lie about your sex life, what else would you lie about? If your integrity can be sold that cheaply, what else are you willing to sell cheap?

People perpetually accuse Bush of lying, though they can't point to the specific elements of the crime (1, that the accused made a statement; 2, that the statement was false at the time that the accused made the statement; 3, that the accused knew the statement was false at the time the statement was made) and argue in a detailed and logical fashion. I see a lot of name calling, but no convincing arguments. As with other crimes, I hold Bush innocent until proven guilty.

Meanwhile, Clinton demonstrably lied. The only thing standing between him and conviction of lying was the definition of the word "is." The issue of getting a BJ in the Oval Office is almost moot, compared to the issue of lying. Like so many others have said, had he just owned up to it, it'd sit a lot better with me.

Blowjobs vs. blowing up countries. Yep, I see the comparison as clear as mud.

Rock on!

djmcmath 08-05-2004 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by dd74
During the Russian revolution, after the Czar and his family were murdered, who do you think was killed next? The poets, playrights and painters - all of whom represented the culture the revolution sought to bring down.
That's actually an interesting point. The parallel between revolutionary artists and today's political artists seems like it would be worthwhile.


As to those of you who disagree with my comments on integrity.... integrity is simple. It's either something you have or you don't. It's a character trait. The man who lacks the integrity to stand up for his own actions, in spite of possible consequences, is the man with integrity. The man who lies to save face has none. Worse, the man who stands on his lies as if they were truth, rather than confessing and repenting -- that's the man I'm really afraid to trust.

Have I lied? Sure -- as Tyson points out, we all have. Did I own up to it? Yeah, then I apologized, and recognized that for a long time, I wouldn't be trusted by the people I hurt with my lie. Have I told the truth about my actions, despite the pain I knew I'd bring on myself for my honesty? Yup, more often than not.

Again, I hear the same old rhetoric, with no real backing -- no one has laid out the elements of the crime that they've convicted the president of, yet they continue to claim it as if it's proven fact. Heck, he hasn't even formally been charged with lying -- why do you suppose that is?

(shrug) Whatever.

Dan

fintstone 08-05-2004 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by speeder
I'm sure that all of you Republicans have similar harsh words for all of those "I'm an Amurican" country singers that perform at NASCAR races and exercise their free right to support Bush and his war, right? ;)
So singing a patriotic song make one a Bush supporter?

Works for me.

fintstone 08-05-2004 10:31 PM

Strange how many actors and musicians want to be clowns these days. The liberals just seem to bring out the worst in people.

island911 08-05-2004 10:43 PM

I saw a Ted Copple interview with Bruce.
Bruce, you know seems, you know, kinda, you know, like, you know, he couln't, you know,get, you know, a coherent, you know, thought together.


you know?

Not so impressive, as a political speaker.

Beethoven 08-05-2004 10:44 PM

Funny though that the Reps have not a single rock musician of note on their side. But then again, since Ashcroft thinks that dancing is following the devil that kinda figures.
I do think these concerts will sway kids--don't forget that most Americans don't vote, and the concerts might bring people to the polling stations.
Rock'n'Roll is one of the greatest contribution this country has made to world culture and I'm impressed that people like Springsteen risk alienating at least part of their audience for this. It's another sign how truly desperate and disgusted people are.

island911 08-05-2004 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Beethoven
Funny though that the Reps have not a single rock musician of note on their side. .. .
Whats funny is that KERRY has not a single rock musician of note on his side. (they are all just anti-Bush) I guess Bush is just too much a rebel for those old has-beens.

fintstone 08-05-2004 10:52 PM

Just another has-been like Rondstat and Streisand...pitifully crying out for attention.

dd74 08-05-2004 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by island911
I saw a Ted Copple interview with Bruce.
Bruce, you know seems, you know, kinda, you know, like, you know, he couln't, you know,get, you know, a coherent, you know, thought together.


you know?

Not so impressive, as a political speaker.

He wore a nice watch, though. And Craftsman furniture. Yummmm...

dd74 08-05-2004 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by fintstone
Just another has-been like Rondstat and Streisand...pitifully crying out for attention.
Maybe. But are you prepared to say the same thing to the Dave Matthews Band or REM - they're also part of the act, and are hardly "has-beens." Besides which, I bet Springsteen can still fill a stadium.

350HP930 08-06-2004 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by island911
I saw a Ted Copple interview with Bruce.
Bruce, you know seems, you know, kinda, you know, like, you know, he couln't, you know,get, you know, a coherent, you know, thought together.


you know?

Not so impressive, as a political speaker.

The same can be said of bush except bruce has a great track record of being eloquent unlike bush and bruce writes all his own stuff.

The only time bush sounds good is when he is reading someone else's words off a teleprompter.

djmcmath 08-06-2004 05:34 AM

350, I'd argue that, with some training, Bush could sound stupid reading off a teleprompter, too.

Mule 08-06-2004 05:45 AM

Hey 350,
Wendy let me in I wanna be your friend
I want to guard your dreams and visions
Just wrap your legs 'round these velvet rims
and strap your hands across my engines

I have to agree. Bruce lit the way politically for a whole generation with lyrics like those. Are you sure you weren't thinking of Bob Dylan?

CarreraS2 08-06-2004 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by Beethoven
Funny though that the Reps have not a single rock musician of note on their side.
My goal in life is to someday be as super rich as these multi-millionaire entertainers, so I too can afford to be a far-leftist living in a fantasy world, totally detached from all reality.

http://www.vintagebmx.com/ubb/graemlins/rockout.gif

Beethoven 08-06-2004 07:24 AM

Oh, now you start discarding musicians because they're rich? Bet you there aren't many poor gagrage bands for Bush/Cheney either. Whatever.
You've tried to make a draft-dodger look tough, you cheerfully accept someone who stated he had 'other priorities' during Vietnam as your number too, you've tried to make a millionaire's spoiled son look like a down to earth guy--don't try to make the Republican party look like the party of youth and rock 'n roll. That will just not work.
Oh, and Island? John Bon Jovi appeared on many primary campaign stops with Kerry. But you were never one to let facts get in the way of your vitriol.

CarreraS2 08-06-2004 07:58 AM

You are one confused dude.


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