Nah, I doubt Satan would approve of a political party that saves 50,000,000 Arabs, believes women's lives should not be destroyed by lying to them that abortion is birth control, does not approve of homosexual "marriage," uses class-warfare, hate and race-baiting as their platform...Nor would God approve of a party that hates Israel, loves and supports murderous tyrants just because they are communist, or a party that attacks Christianity at every available opportunity.

you're a classical idealogue

Etymology: French idéologue, back-formation from idéologie
1 : an impractical idealist : THEORIST
2 : an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

it's true the world is ****ed up but which dictatorship are you going to "save" first? You can't go around using your superpower military aggression to bring deaths to thousands, destruction beyond words, all with our tax payer money, for your own cause....a cause that has changed pre-war (WMDs).

you're still missing the whole point, if Americans knew the reason for Iraq was to "liberate" the people and not for "imminent threats" , WMDs as we were told, the war would have gotten no support whatsoever and the W would be have been impeached.

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear". --Thomas Jefferson

Great quote lee, but I imagine you will soon be slammed by the 'american is a christian nation' croud.

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

I posit the description of "sinful" is highly rational, in fact it is secular humanistic rationalism that has inflicted the greatest attrocities in the history of mankind...100,000,000 +/- in the last 100 years.

"Did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac? He lays awake at night wondering if there really is a dog." - UKNOWN

One for Todd:
"My karma ran over my dogma"

btw, did anyone see the movie Dogma? Damn fine film...

Saw it last night with Isabo and her husband.
Very good film! Much, much better than any of us were expecting. Almost made religion tolerable ;)

I was just there to see Salma Hayek bouncing around in satin bra and panties for 10 seconds. Needless to say, that was great - but the rest of the movie definitely exceeded expectations. Ended up staying up till dawn discussing religion with an atheist buddy.

DTW: Your discussion with an athiest buddy brings the following ditty to mind:

A fairy who loved in Kartuhm
Brought a lesbian up to his room
They argued all night
Over who had the right
To to what and with which
And to whom.


No offense meant to anyone...

I don't see what Hillary Clinton and McGreevy have to do with this discussion.

News flash, this just in from Cam's Department of "God loves Liberals"...

...Bush's own church thinks he shouldn't have gone to war.

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1686

Actually, looking at the United Methodist Church's Social Principles (you call it "class-warfare" and "race-baiting" instead), there is a lot of "Conservative" stuff that is difficult to reconcile with that Church's teaching. Just as it is with Catholic teaching, and presumably with most denominations' teaching. There is more info here.

Of course, all denominations are run by liberals, right? Apostate liberals probably.

Moses got the 10 commandments from God on Mt. Sinai. The burning bush was where God called Moses to go to Egypt to free the Israelites who were enslaved by the Egyptians.

One of my members wrote a pretty good article on modern day evil. Interesting that I find out weeks later that the author went to my same highschool, small world. Here is the link.

http://www.peoplesnation.com/fulltext.php?id=1003