Kerry exposed! Interview with John O'Neil

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

This interview of Mr. O'Neil is pretty convincing:

http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/oneill01.htm

CamB · CamB's Garage

He basically paints a picture of Kerry lying about everything, and convincing others to lie for him.

If you believe that, you could also believe that the SBVfT are a group which is lying about eveything, and has convinced other to lie with them.

I still reckon the truth remains untold. Plus, O'Neil is DEFINITELY a man with a grudge (both in what he says, and the fact he has been pursuing it for 20+ years). Seriously, read what he says and there is NO WAY that every word he says is 100% true.

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

His interview sounds much more plausible than Kerry's story to me.

Who has more to gain from lying ...Kerry or O'Neil?

We already know Kerry is a liar....about atrocities he witnessed, about being in Cambodia...heck, he even lied about not having an SUV!

Moneyguy1 · 08-24-2004, 11:38 PM

Every interview I have seen with Mr. O'Neil convinces me more and more that he is a very angry man. Intelligent, but very angry. I would not want to be on his bad side if he holds a grudge from the Nixon years till today. The entire episode is a "He said, he said" sort of thing; just enough to muddy up the waters. Like many others, I respect the service of these men on both sides. However, it would appear that Mr. O'Neil has a definite agenda. What it is and why I have no idea. He just makes me uncomfortable. There is something there under all that controlled hate.

jm951 · 08-25-2004, 05:41 AM

There really is no way to be sure who is telling the entire truth, but from what I'm seeing, this is likely a direct vendetta over K's anti-war activities when he got back. It looks like K went over, was a bit of a loose cannon, came back at the first opportunity and then joined the protesters to start a political career. If this scenario is correct, then I can see why Vietnam vets would have little love for K and they would view him as an opportunistic rat. Either way, I don't think all the truth is being told and all K has to do to silence a lot of it is file Form 180 and release all of the records, which he hasn't at this time. The stuff on his website is a synopsis by some of his supporters. Also on K's website, his DD214 is showing that his SS had a V device for Valor. This is incorrect according to how medals are awarded. It's either a clerical error by the Defense Dept. or someone is monkeying with the records to make K look better than he really is. At this point, I'm more and more convinced that the truth lies much closer to O'Neill than Kerry.

lendaddy · 08-25-2004, 06:26 AM

As far as who is telling the truth.

Oneil said both he and any of the other vets would be HAPPY to take a lie detector test. Hmm pretty bold huh.

island911 · 08-25-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by CamB
He basically paints a picture of Kerry lying about everything, and convincing others to lie for him.

If you believe that, you could also believe that the SBVfT are a group which is lying about eveything, and has convinced other to lie with them.

I still reckon the truth remains untold. Plus, O'Neil is DEFINITELY a man with a grudge (both in what he says, and the fact he has been pursuing it for 20+ years). Seriously, read what he says and there is NO WAY that every word he says is 100% true.

Whether I think your post is spot-on, on not

.. . how could you see the BS/agenda in O'neil. . .but not see it in Kerry? How can you conclude that O'neil is lying, but give Kerry a pass?

Kerry has a record of spinning his own version of reality . . .and not for the good of anyone, but Kerry.

He is the worst of all poiticians. He does not work in good-faith. He doesn't really work. He simply fabricates a convenient story.

He reminds me of a poster here. . . Spankee. "ooh. . .I'm an ex CIA guy .. . I have special inside info . . . you guys seem nice so I'll help you out. . .wait for the info soon. . .did I tell you I was an ex-FBI man? so I know all about police tactics .. .I was wounded as a cop . .. . ..because I was in the CIA, on secret missions in Cambodia.

Kerry is a JOKE! . . a delusional, disingenuous, lazy class-A BOOB!

To talk about O'neil, or Bush, or (?) without conceeding Kerry is an "empty suit" hung on a delusional hook, is disingenuous itself.

MichiganMat · MichiganMat's Garage

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Originally posted by island911

Kerry is a JOKE! . . a delusional, disingenuous, lazy class-A BOOB!

funny, a lot of people feel that way about dubbya...

island911 · 08-25-2004, 09:10 AM

yaya. . .thread on Kerry = idealogically bankrupt lib' inserts "b'b'bbut wadda 'bout Boosh/"

d'ya think that we might get it by now?

Kerrys got nut'n but bash.

Mulholland · 08-25-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by MichiganMat
funny, a lot of people feel that way about dubbya...

To quote Citizen Kane..."People believe what I tell them to believe." (regarding the media's power)

There are a lot of fools out there Mat, as evidenced by Florida voters who couldn't figer out the ballot (BS I know, but makes my point).

Mulholland · 08-25-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by island911
Whether I think your post is spot-on, on not

.. . how could you see the BS/agenda in O'neil. . .but not see it in Kerry? How can you conclude that O'neil is lying, but give Kerry a pass?

Kerry has a record of spinning his own version of reality . . .and not for the good of anyone, but Kerry.

He is the worst of all poiticians. He does not work in good-faith. He doesn't really work. He simply fabricates a convenient story.

He reminds me of a poster here. . . Spankee. "ooh. . .I'm an ex CIA guy .. . I have special inside info . . . you guys seem nice so I'll help you out. . .wait for the info soon. . .did I tell you I was an ex-FBI man? so I know all about police tactics .. .I was wounded as a cop . .. . ..because I was in the CIA, on secret missions in Cambodia.

Kerry is a JOKE! . . a delusional, disingenuous, lazy class-A BOOB!

To talk about O'neil, or Bush, or (?) without conceeding Kerry is an "empty suit" hung on a delusional hook, is disingenuous itself.

Bravo!....(alas, pearls before swine)

red ufo · 08-25-2004, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
As far as who is telling the truth.

Oneil said both he and any of the other vets would be HAPPY to take a lie detector test. Hmm pretty bold huh.

Travis Walton said he was abducted by aliens in the 1970s. 5 people saw it and they all passed a lie dectotor tests.

So either aliens exist or massive groups can lie and pass them. Think about it.

MichiganMat · MichiganMat's Garage

I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so.

Its a great tactic though, one that has been used by McCarthy and the first Bush. Make claims that are outrageous but difficult to prove. By the time the truth comes out the damage is done.

Besides, when John McCain says its wrong, I believe him.

MichiganMat · MichiganMat's Garage

Testimony about attrocities: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=244

Cambodia: http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2105529&

Veteran backs Kerry on details:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/08/23/swift_boat_veteran_backs_kerry_on_details_of_1969_ ambush/

island911 · 08-25-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by red ufo
Travis Walton said he was abducted by aliens in the 1970s. . . .

Let me guess . . .a red ufo?

. . .and you're a "space alien" who has been monitoring Travis Walton ever since you gave him your "alien probe" ?

island911 · 08-25-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by MichiganMat
. . .Besides, when John McCain says its wrong, I believe him.

Thanks for coming back to topic.

So what does John McCain say about Kerry bragging about Kerrys Vietnam "heroism" ?

red ufo · 08-25-2004, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by MichiganMat
I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so.

Its a great tactic though, one that has been used by McCarthy and the first Bush. Make claims that are outrageous but difficult to prove. By the time the truth comes out the damage is done.

Besides, when John McCain says its wrong, I believe him.

Exactly.

The republican tactic is: If you can't win on a issue you muddy the waters so bad the issue is dropped. They consider it a win because the democrats can't get a point across and win if the issue is nuked completely.

The swiftboat thing is just a distraction so people don't debate on Bush falsely taking the country to war and impeach him.

Mulholland · 08-25-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by MichiganMat
I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so.

254 Swifties are wrong huh?...Kerry lied about attrocities, lied about medals, lied about throwing medals away in contempt, lied about Cambodia, lied about Nixon sending him to Cambodia...and the Swifties are wrong?

The 254 are not salaried...Kerry's Swifties ARE salaried...The 254 are not running for office...Kerry IS running for office...The 254 didn't cut and run at first opportunity...Kerry DID cut and run at the first opportunity.

This is classic snake-in-the-grass defense attorney strategy...Confuse the subject by attacking the messenger and ignoring the facts.

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Its a great tactic though, one that has been used by McCarthy and the first Bush. Make claims that are outrageous but difficult to prove. By the time the truth comes out the damage is done.

What tactic was employed by McCarthy?...You do know that McCarthy was vindicated with the 1995 release of the Venona Project don't you?

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Besides, when John McCain says its wrong, I believe him.

John McCainiac didn't serve with sKerry (after all isn't that Kerry's attack on the Swifties?...they weren't on his boat?)...McCainiac has been wrong before (see campaign finance reform/Keating-5)

Why is John Kerry attacking Vietnam Veterans, threatening them and falsely accusing them of lying?...Bush hasn't done that every time Kerry lies or the NAACP ties Bush to the dragging death of James Byrd.

red ufo · 08-25-2004, 09:45 AM

I don't care if Kerry lied about medals.

What I do care about is a president that lies and takes the nation to war, much, much worse offense.. If Bush wins, they will impeach him for it.

lendaddy · 08-25-2004, 09:45 AM

"I think we can put this issue to sleep, the SBVFT have been proven wrong about 20 times now. It was slanderous and false from the start and will continue to be so. "

Ok, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here. Give me ONE just ONE thing they have been PROVEN wrong on. Keep in mind that Kerry has already been forced to change his Cambodia story and the story on his first Purple Heart. Again, ONE.