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911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by jm951
Personal friends who were there cleaning up the aftermath and the body parts told me that there is no doubt it was a 757. But hey, some think the Holocaust didn't happen either. Choose what you want to believe.
Not discrediting what your saying, but in post to other post provided in this post, say with the speed of inpact, and the heat of the fuel, the plane would have been disinagrated. This is a little confusing. How would we they know if it was a 757 ?

island911 10-12-2004 12:24 PM

The really great thing about freedom of speech and threads like this is that the critical-thinkers in the group are quickly sorted.

Oh, and remember; always obey the laws of physics. (even if you don't understand them):cool:

lendaddy 10-12-2004 12:26 PM

Why do I always feel more secure in my sanity after reading these threads?

911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by island911
The really great thing about freedom of speech and threads like this is that the critical-thinkers in the group are quickly sorted.

Oh, and remember; always obey the laws of physics. (even if you don't understand them):cool:

Forgive me for not being a Physics engineer. The laws of physics IMO are being debunked in this video. Im just asking for some sort of verification of the amount of info given in this video. You would actualy have to watch it, and not label it as another propaganda video, before any of the issues presented in the video can be debunked.

911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Why do I always feel more secure in my sanity after reading these threads?
Hey, Im only asking for the issues that have been brought up in this video to be debunked.

911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by SoCal911SC
Didn't lots of people SEE the jetliners crash into the buildings?

Esp. the second one, when lots of cameras and attention were focused on the first building on fire.

The theory that the buildings were blown up by bombs, and that no planes ever hit either building, makes red ufo's theory that George Bush and the Govt were behind the planes hitting the buildings so they could enforce martial law in the US seem sane and reasonable.

Thats whats is being said by NYFD guys who were in the building, they are claiming they heard bombs going off AFTER the planes hit, while they were going up the elevators to the 26th floor. Other firemen are claiming in this video that they saw explosions from the buildings AFTER the planes hit, that looked like what demolition companies do to bring down a structure. Plus, there is a scene from CNN, of which was only showed once during a live broadcast, of a huge , 50 story tall plum of smoke on the ground of the world trade center, while they were still standing.

Aurel 10-12-2004 12:44 PM

Plus, there were no WMDs in Iraq...

Aurel

911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:44 PM

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Also, if it wasn't those two specific planes that hit the buildings, THEN WHERE DID THOSE TWO PLANES GO? Did they just disappear off the face of the earth?
Oh, there were planes, thats a givin. BUT, its being reported in this video, that it wasent a American Airlines that hit the second tower, but a cargo type plane, with a round blue emble, near the cockpit area,with no windows.

island911 10-12-2004 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by 911S Targa
Forgive me for not being a Physics engineer. The laws of physics IMO are being debunked in this video. Im just asking for some sort of verification of the amount of info given in this video. You would actualy have to watch it, and not label it as another propaganda video, before any of the issues presented in the video can be debunked.
It pains me to see people try so hard to spin another reality. (too many Matrix movies I suppose)

I watched the video a year ago, or so. I also responded in one of those threads, early-on, about the physics/chemistry.
IF YOU WOULD READ those posts, as others have suggested, maybe you wouldn't have to go-off all pissy wondering why we are are being dissmisvive.

jm951 10-12-2004 12:52 PM

I guess he choses to ignore the identifiable 757 wreckage inside of the Pentagon.

Furthermore, how would a guy in an elevator, upon hearing a boom, know it was a bomb? Every heard structural parts give way in a stressed application? Makes quite a racket.

smoak 10-12-2004 12:53 PM

Paging reality... Paging reality... Anyone seen reality?

You know, your right. The video has not been debunked! The makers of the video have figured it out, they are super sleuths. I sure wish they would use those same"investigative" techniques to locate the passengers and crew lost in American 77.

This video and the others like it are junk!

Here is a real story about a reconstruction of the crash that "debunks" the "black helicopter" video http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

Oh, here is some video taken by security cameras on it too....

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/


I can't believe I get drawn into this junk... but if I must.

911S Targa 10-12-2004 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by island911
It pains me to see people try so hard to spin another reality. (too many Matrix movies I suppose)

I watched the video a year ago, or so. I also responded in one of those threads, early-on, about the physics/chemistry.
IF YOU WOULD READ those posts, as others have suggested, maybe you wouldn't have to go-off all pissy wondering why we are are being dissmisvive.

Seems to me your the ones getting all pissy. Im clearly just asking for somebody to watch THIS video, and debunk it. Im NOT spreading anything, or claiming to be right, or this video to be right. IM not spinning anything.

island911 10-12-2004 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by island911
. . .I watched the video a year ago, or so. .. .
Correction --it was over TWO YEARS AGO.

My response was:
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Originally posted by island911
Alien abduction. yeah; that's it!
"the govenment" crashed the others just as a distraction. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I thought the French had better schools than reflected in that writers web page.
Basic chemistry; Aluminum is very reative, and burns easly. At first glance aluminum may seem to resist burning well. But that is more the layer of aluminum oxide, coupled with aluminums ability to wick away heat quickly.
Aluminum is so reative to oxygen that exposure to air immediatley forms a layer of alum-oxide; which seals the aluminum (passivate - word of the day) from futher "burning" . . .unless the temps are so high, the reaction continues. (add inferno of jet fuel)

Too bad aluminum can't take the heat; SSI's would be a lot lighter.;)


911S Targa 10-12-2004 01:01 PM

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Oh, here is some video taken by security cameras on it too....
,, Ya saw that story when it came out, also saw it posted on this site, amongst others. Still does not show a 757 flying into the building. The same video, or still photo`s are shows in this video.

jm951 10-12-2004 01:04 PM

I guess he's never seen how much airframe is left after a simple fire, never mind a crash. Looking more like a conspiracy theory troll here, maybe Red UFO has cloned?

911S Targa 10-12-2004 01:04 PM

For ME, the question isnt Where`s the plane, its, why isnt there any burning of the inside of the building , of which is shown is this video.

smoak 10-12-2004 01:18 PM

911S Targa:

Did you look at my post? Or is it like Col. Jessup said... YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Come on. Is this really a question in your mind or is it do you find that argument without basis stimulates the neurons in your brain? You don't have to ask any of these questions about where's the fire, where's the plane or anything, just ask what happened to:

Paul Ambrose, Yemen Betru, M J Booth, Bernard Brown, Suzanne Calley, William Caswell, Sarah Clark, Asia Cotton, James Debeuneure, Rodney Dickens, Eddie Dillard, Charles Droz, Barbara Edwards, Charles Falkenberg, Zoe Falkenberg, Dana Falkenberg, James Ferguson, Budd Flagg, Dee Flagg, Richard Gabriel, Ian Gray, Stanley Hall, Bryan Jack, Steve Jacoby, Ann Judge, Chandler Keller, Yvonne Kennedy, Norma Khan, Karen Kincaid, Norma Langsteuerle, Dong Lee, Dora Menchaca, Chris Newton, Barbara Olson, Ruben Ornedo, Lisa Raines, Todd Reuben, John Sammartino, Diane Simmons, George Simmons, Mari Rae Sopper, Robert Speisman, Leonard Taylor, Sandra Teague, Leslie Whittington, John Yamnick, Vicki Yancey, Shuyin Yang, Yuguag Zheng.

Captain Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois; Flight Attendants Michele Heidenberger, Jennifer Lewis, Kenneth Lewis, Renee May

WAKE UP. It really happened. It happened the way you were told it did.

911S Targa 10-12-2004 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by smoak
911S Targa:

Did you look at my post? Or is it like Col. Jessup said... YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Come on. Is this really a question in your mind or is it do you find that argument without basis stimulates the neurons in your brain? You don't have to ask any of these questions about where's the fire, where's the plane or anything, just ask what happened to:

Paul Ambrose, Yemen Betru, M J Booth, Bernard Brown, Suzanne Calley, William Caswell, Sarah Clark, Asia Cotton, James Debeuneure, Rodney Dickens, Eddie Dillard, Charles Droz, Barbara Edwards, Charles Falkenberg, Zoe Falkenberg, Dana Falkenberg, James Ferguson, Budd Flagg, Dee Flagg, Richard Gabriel, Ian Gray, Stanley Hall, Bryan Jack, Steve Jacoby, Ann Judge, Chandler Keller, Yvonne Kennedy, Norma Khan, Karen Kincaid, Norma Langsteuerle, Dong Lee, Dora Menchaca, Chris Newton, Barbara Olson, Ruben Ornedo, Lisa Raines, Todd Reuben, John Sammartino, Diane Simmons, George Simmons, Mari Rae Sopper, Robert Speisman, Leonard Taylor, Sandra Teague, Leslie Whittington, John Yamnick, Vicki Yancey, Shuyin Yang, Yuguag Zheng.

Captain Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois; Flight Attendants Michele Heidenberger, Jennifer Lewis, Kenneth Lewis, Renee May

WAKE UP. It really happened. It happened the way you were told it did.

I can handle the truth just fine. I am awake. I never said it DIDNT happen. And sorry for questioning, and NOT accepting what some news organization feed me as ALL BE ALL TRUTH.

As Ive said, watch it, and dubunk was is being told.

911S Targa 10-12-2004 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by jm951
I guess he's never seen how much airframe is left after a simple fire, never mind a crash. Looking more like a conspiracy theory troll here, maybe Red UFO has cloned?
Your right, I havent seen a airframe after a simple fire. Troll ? Ill take that as an insult, since Im only asking for some to watch the video, and explain WHY the theory is wrong.

Ive been on this board for over 3 years, and Ive NEVER trolled.

lendaddy 10-12-2004 01:33 PM

Prove I'm not a superhero, logic is a *****.


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