I don't know, Glenn (Island), I'd like to cheer you on as a fellow open-minded soul, bolster you with third party virtue - though I know the Independents and/or "Thirds" have had nothing - honestly - since Ross Perot.

But I'm reading your arguments here in defense of Bush, and simply cannot understand any of them, or accept them as fact. Bush has been dead wrong on Iraq - simple as that. Nothing that he says remains proven and as a consequence, the man owns not one ounce of credibility on this endeavor. He's the war president, sure, but the war seems to be all in his head. Everyone else on this thread (against the war), have brought in facts that go against Bush (the bigger picture). You have Russians stealing weapons, which BTW: the Pentagon has distanced itself from as a fact (the smaller picture - but one that shows the POTUS incompetence toward the bigger picture).

I don't know, man. I'm "just saying" this is what I'm reading...

The difference being SADDAM SIGNED AN AGREEMENT stating that he would ACCOUNT for and DEMONSTRATE the destruction OF HIS KNOWN WMD.


But then, you know that. (sigh)

Give it up Island...They know the truth but just will not admit it as they hope to convince some poor, ignorant undecided who reads this thread. Anyone silly enough to claim that 400 tons or munitions were stolen and slipped away and hidden after we took over the country, but a few 50 gallon barrels (constitutes a stockpile) of nerve gas could not have possibly been hidden in Iraq when Saddam controlled the country are just that...silly.

Truth?

I'm well read and I offer evidence. You offer nothing but insults to refute this evidence flintstone. I presume because you have no EVIDENCE to refute.

If you have evidence to refute what we say, give it...no emotion...no "saddam's a yucky, yucky, man". Show EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS A THREAT!

Who's denying the truth here flintstone? It would be you.

Here's a good article for you about perception of truth:

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

Evidence? --sure ya have. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I know the WMD part of it hasn't materialized. We are no better off there; other than Saddam doesn't have them anymore. So it's a crap-shoot on whether someone as bad ended up w/ them. (I think he burried them in the sand somewhere . ..its what he does ever since he got burned sending fighter jets over the boarder.)

Anyway, I feel that I really know *who* Saddam is (based on his actions) He reminds me a lot of someone I knew a long time ago. ( a man devoid of compassion and/or feelings . . .always vying for superiority, however he could take it.)

Yet what I see from responses here is, people 'talk' as if Saddam just needs a good break, and he'll play nice.

Huge, huge, huge mistake!

There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam is the type of guy who would play it cool, while screwing you (US) as hard as he could. No doubt.

Removing Saddam, with so few casualties sends a message to the world. Uncovering the Food for Oil SCAM of the French & Russians helped us too.

Saddam & Iraq ARE part of the big picture. Key parts.

btw, voting third is NOT about "picking a winner".

but since everyone is intersted in picking a winner. . .

One thing Bush has going for him is that he is a team player. . . and he has quite a team.

Kerry, otoh, has shown he will sell-out his team at a moments notice. (though he may stick with the French team a while longer. . .sucker for ther approval.)

Sell-out -- That is huge. Do NOT take a chance on a proven sell-out.

Yeah, fint, your right.

The tough thing is cool_chick here presenting all kinds of stuff we have beaten into the ground so many many times before.

It truely is sad. I get that they really want to believe the world is as it used to be perceived.

Electing (or suing in) a panty-waste like kerry is simply not going to cut-it.

Bush may have his faults, but is leagues ahead of kerry in the game of world politics.

There is a lot of proof that Saddam had WMD. Pictures, videos, inventories, etc. There is not one shred of proof that he destroyed them other than we do not know where they are.

Ever read the Senate Committee Report? Have you heard of the Dueffler report?

That "proof" showed to be false...partly because it was PROVEN that the sanctions worked and there was no way that Saddam could've gotten that type of program off the ground. Proof that those "aerials", "pictures" of BUILDINGS weren't there.

There were none. I'm sorry flintstone, there never were any. They weren't moved, they didn't exist. It's been proven.

You are wrong. After the Gulf War the inspectors located a great deal of WMD. There is tons of proof that they were there. The inspectors took pictures, inventories, etc...This has never been questioned....even by liberals....

There is not one shred of proof that saddam destroyed them other than we do not know where they are.

Almost all of his weapons were destroyed in the Gulf War flintstone.

http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/MidEast/save/paulsen/paulsen.htm

If you can show me some evidence that "inspectors located a great deal of WMDs", I will change my position.

I don't see anything in your post that refutes my claim. Do you get all your information from articles for children?

Because I've been researching ALL NIGHT flintstone. I've been backing up all my claims here. I'm tired of researching, but getting nothing back but empty claims. Many reports indicate they were destroyed in the Gulf War.

Can you show me that "inspectors located a great deal of WMDs?"

Can any republican out there who knows this to be true provide me a link? I'm very open minded and willing to accept it if it's actually true.

No, that would be you (obviously) you haven't proven ONE THING HERE. I see ZERO LINKS. WHY IS THAT?

well thank you flintstone. I shall read this and see research same. I will get back to you tomorrow...because this is not absorbing right now (too late...need sleep)

Thank you.

10's of thousands of pounds of explosives - the logistics involved in moving it is challenging to say the least. Heck - the worlds most sophisticated postal sytem can't get a letter from Iowa to Texas in less then 5 days. If the stuff truely existed and a group of well organized bandits made off with the stash - we should find them as soon as possable not to recover the bombs but to learn how to coordinate a logistics team and tranlate it over. DHL, FEDEX, UPS and the US Postal System (not to metion the Teamsters) could learn a few things.

UPDATE:

The russians helped move these weapons to Syria, just as I said 9 months ago, literally.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm

Whoo, good thing russia's such a good ally... of Saddam's that is.

Who does 'pooty-poot' endorse?

Under Secretary of State Shaw doesn't say for certain the Russian's took the munitions. He said "almost certainly". That doesn't sound like a slam dunk to me.

Still, we have US spy planes and satellites. Why wasn't this convoy of trucks and transfer activity observed just before the war? I'd think our forward observers and spy cameras would have been on high alert at this time for troop, equipment and portable missle launcher movements. Wasn't this one of the sites identified by the UN?

Or did we ignore everything the UN told us? This doesn't sound military or kosher. I'm waiting to hear more.

BTW, notice how even seemingly insignificant events beg more questions as to their truth and veracity? IMHO, this is a result of ever-decreasing credibility on the part of GWBush and his administration. There will be doubt and skepticism even though definitive explanations are presented.

Is this any way to run a country?
Sherwood