Power comeback.

I have to agree with you here. I think its easy to paint Kerry as a flip-flopper in cases where actual thought was needed to solve the issue. I think we saw that in the debates too. Unfortunately, as you say, it doesn't do much to convince people of his record.

I've said it once, I'll say it again: Im looking forward to Kerry being president if nothing else than to give me some downtime. I like him because hes boring, I like him because he's not fighting for some sacred cause. Personally, I need a break from the excitement.

That's quite possibly the lamest, most pathetic excuse I've ever heard for wanting Kerry for president. You want him because he won't stand up for anything... that's amazing.

Oh man. sorry dude. I though your closing comment were at least tongue-in-cheek. (taken that way it was pretty damn funny)

See, the thing is, you posted that right after you use Bush's "appeal to a higher father" as the typical that kool-aid dinking spin-left.

Clearly Bush was trying what he could to spin away any notion that he was "daddys mini-Bush".
Yet you will deny the obvious, to paint the kool-aid colors.

But I'm glad to hear that you "understand" all of us "true believers" . . . m m . . . mm . m m mm . .. BUhahahahah! :D

Island-

Im ashamed of all the characters I've wasted typing responses to you.

m.

Maybe we're the ones using the missing explosives

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=6&u=/ap/20041028/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_4

From dailyKos.com:


Apparently, we have to bomb Iraq to oblivion in order to save it: an estimated 100,000 deaths thus far. To borrow the incomparable Juan Cole's mathematical slide-rule, that would be the equivalent, in American population terms, of 1.1 million people here.

"Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children," said the report, conducted jointly by researchers at Johns Hopkins University, Columbia University and the Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad.

Island,
When you talk (or talked) to your father for advice, do you feel this reflects negatively on your ability to think?

For GW to admit he passed on the occasion shows a certain amount of disconnect between himself and his father. As the leader of this country, it shows a bit of arrogance not to consult with a former president (forget Dad for a moment) regarding an important decision that will affect this country, the world and many lives, but that takes a basic form of insight, doesn't it?

I'm trying to find some common ground to form some basis for discussion, but have yet to find it. All I hear are excuses and accusations.

Sherwood

Now who's using body counts to further their points? You people are walking contradictions.

Their body counts are irrelevant anyway. They count total numbers of people dead assuming that they only died because of the invasion.

"common ground to form some basis for discussion"
Yeah, you would have to conceed the possiblity that GW was being set-up with a "did you ask your daddy for permission?" question.

It was a set-up; GW sensed it, and responded defensively.

Could you imagine the field-day the liberal spinsters would have with sound bites like "poor georgy. . . had to seek daddys okay to go play war".

Instead GW responded, bringing all seriousness to this action.

Can you not see that?

Ever since 9/11/01 GW has been walking a tight-rope of damned if you do -- damned if you don't. And, in all those many decisions he has impressed me.

The liberal MMQB spin on each of GW's! decisions has not impressed me.

"Yeah, you would have to conceed the possiblity that GW was being set-up with a "did you ask your daddy for permission?" question."

Yes, I concede that as a possibility. I can see that. However, GW could have answered with all seriousness:

A. "Yes, I consulted with my father. No, I didn't ask his permission. Next question."

..... or

B. "No, I didn't consult with my father about the impending war. I consulted with a higher father."

Which statement paints a better picture of the President of the United States (if that was his intention)?

Island. Take it away ......A or B?

Sherwood

PS: Please define the word, "objective". I know you've heard the term.

Island - I think you're giving GW more credit than deserved. I realize the hindsight could stray via Democratic spin toward GW being a "weak" president in lieu of asking his father's advice, - but I venture to say that's far from his concern. He's using dogma, ideology, God or what-not as his basis to circle the wagons of his Christian Right constituency - myopic and usurous at best.

But had he sought advice, the outcome could be much different. If he went to HW (his dad) HW would say, "Not gonna' do it," to his boy, and had he also taken the advice from observations such as the CIA that Iraq had no WMDs, GW would not be in nearly as much trouble as now.

Do you see how that works?

Daddy says "no, don't do it." CIA says "No, don't do it because we can't find anything on the ground there." GW says, "I'm not going to do it, because there's no reason to do it. I consulted the old man and CIA, and thus I have no grounds to invade Iraq."

If GW did this, we wouldn't be discussing Iraq in terms of a quagmire. Secondly, Kerry wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell come Nov. 2nd; Bush would win by a landslide.

DD74,
That can't be right. That makes too much sense.

Sherwood

LOL! Making sense is my liability these days. :D

Sherwood,
Yes; of course GW could have answered, with all seriousness, in a number of better ways.

"Not gonna' do it," :D dd, you do a great Dana Carvey, doing Bush41. ;)

I read somewhere (cant find it) that HW doesn't give advice to his son unless he see's GW is doing something that he doesn't agree with.

Yet, here you guys are speculating that HW would have something different to tell the boy.

One thing that I find impressive about GW. . .something that got little press quite a while ago. ..is that GW has seen the errors of his dads Presidency. Specificaly GW want to operate in the World with cleaner hands . ..so to speak (my words -paraphrasing) No more paying-off these people to go fight those people. (that kind of stuff) This is counter to the way his dad operated (IMO).

I suspect that 9/11/01 may have changed both men in this regard. Training and funding one group to go fight some USSR trained & funded group is much why we have(had?) guys like OBL.

(Again) you missed my point. Ideology, thought, culture and a lack of thought on the U.S. part to consider such: that makes Iraqnam into a Vietnam.

As far as Somalia, sure, I guess it could compare to Vietnam in the same way Iraq does and will continue to compare to Vietnam.

LOL! Not make the same mistakes? Oh, man: that's rich. :D

1) Daddy not going into Bagdad was a mistake?

2) He has been paying off people - but evidentially not enough.

heh-heh-heh . . .eh? . . .Ya lost me.

When HW was CIA director and then with Regan, fighting the cold-war, the US helped Saddam. . .helped OBL fight the Russians.

That type of thing is no longer a necessary evil.

Where did I say(or imply) anything about not going into Bagdad?

You didn't. I was alighting to you the mistakes GW believes his father could have made.

Payola - payola's been going on in Iraq since the invasion. Soldiers have paid out thousands if not millions for information. So far, the payola hasn't been paying.

***I know that clears things up, so I won't even ask, "Does that clear things up?" ;)

Payola hasn't been paying? I don't think you can make such a generalization... so take it back! ;)

If the CIA & Armed Forces came out every time they successfully bought a piece of information that will be used to save lives, they'd need their own channel. Not only that, but wouldn't the enemy know what we knew if they told us? That'd be a great tactic :rolleyes:

Just in...
 

Video of now missing explosives taken April 18th, 2003, by embedded ABC affiliate reporters with the 101st at Al Qaqaa.
Includes pictures of the bunkers still under IAEA seal.
Boxes of explosives marked Al Qaqaa.
http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=159660

About the seals...
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1

The verdict is in - Bush is Toast on this issue.