How embarrassing
 

Guess the world is right...Americans really ARE stupid!

I'm so embarrassed.

Me too. Can you believe so many people were bamboozled by orange Lurch?

Re: How embarrassing
 

Good. Does that mean you'll go now?

awww rick...threatened by me or something?

Take it easy folks... I hope this doesn't get ugly...

If anything, with a record turnout and heated debates over the candidates, Americans have expressed more interest in our government.

In the past, Americans were known for an apathetic attitude towards our government and world politics. This election, no matter what the outcome, has shown that Americans are involved, and they are more informed.

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?!?
-Z-man.

SmileWavy CoolChick. Thanks for your contributions.

This election proved that Fear Sells. We can look forward to four more years of fear and hype.

The draft will be revived under Bush Deux part deux ('doo-doo' for short)

This same country that elected Ronald Reagan by huge margins, also elected Bill Clinton by huge margins. This country also elected Jimmy Carter (loser) and Abraham Lincoln (best pres ever!). Through it all, we survived and prospered.

Cool, you just need to reload and don't get discouraged. The pendulum may indeed swing back your way. Only not if Hillary is involved. She's unelectable imo.

BTW, what is embarrassing is how pathetic the Democratic candidate was. Dems, stop nominating empty suit gigolos who's only accomplishments happened thirty years ago.

At least when the GOP nominated Bob Dole, he had an actual track record in the senate.

Also, this country wants some real solutions to the problems of health care, education and abortion. If you'all are going to let the feminists, teacher's unions and trail lawyers dictate chapter and verse, you're going to remain a minority party.

Rudy Giuliani in 2008! :)

Re: How embarrassing
 

There is the possibility that Americans are right and you ARE stupid. :D

All hail newbie cool_chick, the poster child for the form versus substance crowd...

Maybe Kerry will unveil his wonderful plans in the Senate so that we may all benefit now. He still has a job, just not working.

At least sheeple like you have four more years to criticise, whine, sharp shoot, develop passive, unrealistic, amorphous plans...with the underlying goal and resultant effect of accomplishing nothing and remaining blameless.

Craig...
Clinton got 43% in 1992 and 49% in 1996, not a majority in either case, and a pretty close thing in 1992.

I agree w/ your last statement, tho. As I frequently lament, the Dems love to cast invective at the GOP about how it's the party of special interests, but it is squarely in the pockets of the groups you mention, as well as being beholden to large corporate and/or individual interests. Dem or Rep, you've got to play the corporate game; it's that the Dem's are so busy hypocritically keening about the Rep's ties to big money.

Thom -
I know you're upset today, but you are especially irony proof. To claim that the GOP tried to instill "fear" and that it "didn't sell" and then to follow it up with the scare tactic the Dems used -- the draft -- is possibly your looniest moment... that I've seen. Yeah, fear doesn't sell, but it was the Dems peddling it this time 'round.

JP

EDIT -- oh ... I thought Cool Chick was embarrassed that she'd believe that others were "stupid" just b/c they disagreed with her, and was making a cathartic confession. Guess not ... just another run-of-the-mill petty crack from the party of the Big Thinkers. :D

Also, Americans are not stupid. Every year it's "how many Americans will win Nobel prizes this year?" rather than will we win any.

Smart people come here to live, work and study.

I see "smart and sophisticated" Euro's sitting in their cafes with their lattes and bad hygiene having a grand old time convincing themselves of their superiority to Americans. Meanwhile their socialist countries are collapsing under their own weight.

Good point JP, I guess I'm so totally focused on the Electroral college, I forgot about the popular vote those years. Busy 41 and Dole really didn't do that badly in the popular vote.

What do you mean? It did sell. Listen to any hardcore GWB fan and it's all about how Kerry would roll over for terrorists.

The bit about the draft is just an uncomfortable reality that the NeoCon apologists can't wrap your [small]minds[/small] around.

• There are a finite number of troops available
• The number available are proving insufficient for the task at hand.
• They're doing everything they can to prevent people from leaving the service, but that will only go so far.
• GWB wants to invade Iran, probably Syria, and who knows what else. Not having to worry about getting re-election has a way of removing the yoke of restraint.

Unless the troop fairy comes in the middle of the night and leaves a few divisions under GWB's pillow, he has no choice but to re-instate the draft. As clever as Rove is, it probably won't come from GWB's lips.

Sorry widebutty, we have more than enough military might to defeat any force on planet earth. I know you hate to hear that. What we need to do now is USE that force instead of sitting on our hands.http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/paro...on_learned.jpg

Mule:
I think you are jumping to conclusions. While there are things like Islamic terrorists, not all people who are of the Islamic religion are fanatical terroists.

I suppose if you live in Belfast, you'd have a pic with the caption, "Everything I ever needed to know about Christians I learned when they killed my family..."

Often, we see the world through our perspective, and need to take a step back.

Perhaps your picture should read, "Everything I ever needed to know about fanatical terrorists, I learned on 9-11."

-Z.

I'd like to personally thank all the 18-29 year olds that didn't bother to show up at the polls to vote for Kerry.:p

If you call "fear" putting forward Kerry's record of complacency on defense, so be it. The silence on his Senate record re: defense was deafening in the mainstream media.

The Democrats did try to scare the public with the specter of a draft, and obviously your [big]brain[/big] fell for it.

There are a finite number of troops available -- Deep Thought; however following that with "the number available are proving insufficient for the task at hand" is fallacious "logic" even for the [big]brainiac[/big] DNC spinmeisters.

Try to stretch your elastic brain around this -- "number available" is not necessarily equal to "number deployed", and in fact it's not. There are more available (w/o a draft) that can be deployed if and as necessary.

Similarly "proving insufficient" is a conclusion that conveniently ignores successes. It may be proving not to be as fast as you'd like (for whatever reasons...) but "insufficient" is your, not the logical, conclusion.

Points (and I use that term under advisement, in the loosest possible sense) 3 and 4 are more pinhead bombast and add nothing to even the non-Euclidian "logic" of your post.

You're out of your depth on the logic thing; it doesn't mix with hyperbolic, deceitful bile, it only serves to emphasize the bitter nature of it.

However, if you're that sure of your logic, give me $100 to $1 odds that there will be a military conscription draft instituted during the next four years. I'll put up $100 against your $10,000, and you can suggest an impartial party to hold the funds in escrow. Given your level of metaphysical certainty, unbounded by the strictures of logic (and it's the fundamentalist Christians that are loony... right) this is easy money for you. I'll even give you the unforeseeable stuff causing a draft -- China invading the US, Russia going after Alaska ... and all the stuff unrelated to W's vicious, unilateralist, unprovoked, warmongering.

Put your money where your bonghole is. :D

JP

Re: Re: How embarrassing
 

My thoughts and feelings exactly. Maybe now all the recent Pelican joiners that were thrown off of the other boards can go somewhere else with their vile and we can get back to reasoned discussions by caring members of this board.

That sound you hear drowning out the dems whining of the last year is the fat lady singing.

Finally!