Morality on the march!

[MichiganMat]

Groups protest film about sex prof
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/11/film.kinsey.protests.ap/index.html

Indignant conservative groups are protesting this week's opening of the film "Kinsey," denouncing it as propaganda seeking to glorify the researcher they blame for inspiring the sexual revolution.

"Alfred Kinsey is responsible in part for my generation being forced to deal face-to-face with the devastating consequences of sexually transmitted diseases, pornography and abortion," said Brandi Swindell, head of a college-oriented group called Generation Life that plans to picket theaters showing the film.

These nut-jobs go on to talk about the "homosexual agenda" and all sorts of other craziness. My real objection to this whole thing is not that these people are close-minded, controlling, bigotted, idiots. My problem is that most of the GOoPers I know that preach this nonsense will not hessitate to expense a long night at a strip club on our company trips. "Its just entertainment". Sure it is.

So answer me this: I figure that the GOoPers are about %25 Christian psycho nut-jobs, %25 percent redneck from-my-cold-dead-hand southerners, and the rest are scared of people of color.

How is it that you the Churchies and the Rednecks seem to coexist in the same mindset and support the same umbrella agenda?

Doesn't this bother you from-my-sweaty-hairy-palms guys out there?

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So whats your point....

[fintstone]

Yes, what were these people thinking of? LoL.....Folks who support terrorists who murder innocent women and children and two-bit dictators who slaughter their people by the hundreds of thousands....get all upset about Christian Americans exercising the right to peacefully protest....Oh the humanity of it all.

Of course they are GOPers...If it were liberals, they would riot and break out the windows of the theater or at least rough-up anyone who attempted to see the film.

[cegerer]

Do ya know anything about Kinsey? No? Read up ....

http://www.nationalcoalition.org/kinsey/kinseycraven.html

I'm mainly focusing on the sexual abuse of hundreds of children by Kinsey ...... all in the name of research, of course.

[MichiganMat]

fint: your spew never ceases to amaze me.

Im not trying to make a point so much as Im wondering how you justify your allegiances. It would seem that we're talking about 3 different groups here:

1. Christians who fear (even still) the sexual revolution
2. Average GOPers who have no qualms with pornography
and 3. Lefties to who try to scientifically study human sexuality for the sake of knowledge.

It would seem that none of us could get along, and yet groups 1 and 2 seem to be on the same team. I think its interesting. If you're in 1 or 2, how do you justify grouping with what would seem to be an opponent?

Thats all Im asking.

[MichiganMat]

Originally posted by cegerer
Do ya know anything about Kinsey? No? Read up ....

http://www.nationalcoalition.org/kinsey/kinseycraven.html

Ya ya ya, I know, he had some personal issues... some pretty questionable ones too. But he also had the courage to fight for scientific investigation of a largely untalked-about human behavior. We study nearly all other aspects of human nature, why not sexuality?

[cegerer]

Yeah, you're right .... sexually abusing children to further our knowledge is perfectly justifiable. This guy's a hero. What was I thinking?

http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=6113&department=CWA&categoryid=family

[billwagnon]

from the article:

it is not surprising to understand his pension for advancing pedophilia as legitimate sexual behavior

you really do have to keep an eye on those retirement plans!

[MichiganMat]

Im not asking you to justify Kinseys actions. Nowhere in this post have I asked that.

Im asking you to think about the goal of studying human sexuality and why that is so repulsive to so many in the Right. Furthermore, the protests against the film are as much about the results of Kinseys study as they were about his personal life (probably even more so about the study). With that in mind, I ask the question for a third time:

It would seem that none of us could get along, and yet groups 1 and 2 seem to be on the same team. I think its interesting. If you're in 1 or 2, how do you justify grouping with what would seem to be an opponent?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
fint: your spew never ceases to amaze me.

Im not trying to make a point so much as Im wondering how you justify your allegiances. It would seem that we're talking about 3 different groups here:

1. Christians who fear (even still) the sexual revolution
2. Average GOPers who have no qualms with pornography
and 3. Lefties to who try to scientifically study human sexuality for the sake of knowledge.

It would seem that none of us could get along, and yet groups 1 and 2 seem to be on the same team. I think its interesting. If you're in 1 or 2, how do you justify grouping with what would seem to be an opponent?

Thats all Im asking.

My spew....comming from a guy who calls a man who sexually abused hundreds of children..courageous..but having personal isuues..yet you condemn peacefully protesting christians...

I'll take that as a complement and contend the personal issues seem to be your's.

[lendaddy]

I can only assume my Michagan brethren here has no idea what he's talking about. This guy had more than "personal issues". Did one of your professors turn you on to this intellectual giant?

[MichiganMat]

Originally posted by fintstone
My spew....comming from a guy who calls a man who sexually abused hundreds of children..courageous..but having personal isuues..yet you condemn peacefully protesting christians...

I'll take that as a complement and contend the personal issues seem to be your's.

Quit reacting for a moment and think.

Im not trying to prove anybody wrong, Im just asking a question. There is no wrong answer, Im interested in hearing what you think about my question, not your personal issues with the subject matter.

[Tishabet]

I would have to completely disagree with the entire premise of you argument here MichiganMat. I think the vast, vast majority of republicans are not nearly as right wing on social issues as you seemt to think. I'm a republican and I enjoy strip clubs, porn, etc. without feeling in the least hypocritical about it since I think everyone else should be able to do the same in our free country. I mean, of course the people who would actually go to this extent to protest a movie are right wing, but making the leap in logic to say the the GOP in general is against the sexual revolution is a little much. I trust I won't have to point out the analogous arguments for the dems....

[fintstone]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
Quit reacting for a moment and think.

Im not trying to prove anybody wrong, Im just asking a question. There is no wrong answer, Im interested in hearing what you think about my question, not your personal issues with the subject matter.

The answer is obvious! If you had asked without insulting most of us...you would get a different answer.

Lots of GOPers, as you call them..have no problem with legal pornography...made by consenting adults and viewed by the same. It doesn't necessarily mean that they personally want themselves or their familiy exposed to it.

They also feel the devout Christians have very right to peacefully protest what they feel is correct...especially when it is a film glorifying what most Americans apparently find disgusting.

The conservatives have a pretty big tent...and most folks are welcome.

Whether or not GOPers are against the sexual revolution all depends on how you define "sexual revolution." The problem with you..and most liberals ..is that everything is black-or-white. Most of us see thinmgs in shades of grey and judge each decision and situation based on it's specific merit. That is why you are losing so many voters. For example, many folks who had little problem with first trimester abortion being legal...consider partial birth abortion to be murder. As long as liberals cannot see the obvious difference in the two...they will never attract moderates. the same is true for homosexuals. Many folks who could care less if you are homosexual....don't want to see you naked in a "gay pride" parade, equate their marriage to yours, or have you bunk with their son on a Boy Scout Camp out. It is that simple....

[MichiganMat]

It just seems to me that the GOP is in a bit of a funk right now and I wonder how average Right-ies feel about it.

From what I've been seeing lately, a lot of extreme Wingers think they have a friend in the WhiteHouse (ie Bob Jones):
http://www.bju.edu/letter

I can understand how you might just play them off as a fringe influence, a byproduct of the ideology (Us lefties have the commies and the anarchists to deal with ). Is this the case for you? Do you consider them to be on the fringe?

It seems to me that the extremists have more control of the GOP than the party is willing to admit. I could be wrong. If abortion is outlawed and media is censored and the extremists begin to really take over, when will the average porn-loving Righty say enough is enough? Or maybe, do you believe that the extremist Christians don't, and won't, have that kind of power?

I get nervous when people like Dr Jones think they have a friend in the Whitehouse

[lendaddy]

Christaphobes like yourself have nothing to fear. No ones gonna legislate religion upon you, it's gonna be OK trust me. Abortion will not be made illegal. What is it exactly that you're worried will happen? Some religious school may get public funds to teach math? How does this affect you, how is this forcing anything upon you? Isn't it just spite/hatred of religion that gets you irked when they are legitamized as educational facilities?

Seriously what are you worried will happen to you?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by MichiganMat
It seems to me that the extremists have more control of the GOP than the party is willing to admit. I could be wrong. If abortion is outlawed and media is censored and the extremists begin to really take over, when will the average porn-loving Righty say enough is enough? Or maybe, do you believe that the extremist Christians don't, and won't, have that kind of power?

I remember when abortion was not legal..and the media was wise enough to censor itself....and I did not feel a bit restricted in my lifestyle. Perhaps if media did not use sex to sell everything...they would have to be a bit more concerned about making films with plots...and if abortion was not so readily available....folks would think twice about who they slept with. I imagine stds/hiv would lose their epidemic proportions.

I personally am not sure if I want to outlaw early term abortion (definitely partial birth), but I certainly don't want government to fund it or for children to be able to have it without parental consent as the liberals do.

[Superman]

Until you GOP'ers can get your cart unhooked from the far-right-wing ox that's pulling it, you're going to have to accept the reputation. Right now, the cadre of christian zealots that MichiganMat describes is indeed setting policy for your Grand Old Party. It is what it is. We would all be quite grateful if you would return your party to its sensible roots. Until then, the GOP is the party of christian indoctrination that is trying to impose its morality on your nation. And mine. And I have a problem with that. Go discipline your party if you want a better reputation.

[Tishabet]

Originally posted by MichiganMat

I can understand how you might just play them off as a fringe influence, a byproduct of the ideology (Us lefties have the commies and the anarchists to deal with ). Is this the case for you? Do you consider them to be on the fringe?

Absolutely. I enjoyed your point about the commies and anarchists...consider the "riots" for the WTO. I don't think I would be stretching the truth to say that the ideologies of these people are on the left. But it's not like you identify with them solely based on your mutual dislike of big business, right?
Conversely, there are extreme right wingers who will picket a funeral if the deceased was openly gay and died of HIV. I think that is so far beyond the bounds of decency it makes me flush. There's no way I want people like that on my side. Yet, they're probably republicans too. The point is, we all have people in our "family" who embarass the hell out of us.
I think trying to paint republicans as anti-sexual revolution is living waaay in the past. consider that within that same era we had george wallace and lester maddox making their mark on civil rights, but I wouldn't use that information to jusge their party today. See what I mean?

[fintstone]

Clearly conservatives are bound more by the desire for a strong military, low taxes, national security, personal responsibility, opportunity, the rule of law, and love of country than the issues you are so fond of. We are quite tolerant of other views elsewhere. The same lack of tolerance by liberals (except during election season) is why they could not elect a dogcatcher in most places. If Democrats had actually listened to Zell Miller instead of demonizing him...they would have the answer they seek. Once again...intolerance of other viewpoints was their downfall.