My sister loves to simplify things. Here's how she sums it up;

"By our nature women are deceitful. Just as men are stupid."

From the words of Chris Rock:

"Men tell the most lies, women tell the biggest lies... A mans lie is like: 'I was at Toni's house!'. A womens lie is: ' Its your baby!' "

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7...selhoffrj8.gif

This is a test............

I don't agree with the "women understand men" part. They in general are better at manipulating a situation, but I recently had to give a female friend advice on how to deal with her ex boyfriend (who didn't want to stay "ex"). I told her that men are like puppy dogs. With a little bit of attention, they will follow you anywhere, and they don't really "get" much of what you say (woof, woof, huh?). In order to get a point across, you neet so smack them across the nose with a rolled up newspaper. And even then it takes a couple of raps.

I'm with Sebring and cantdrive55 on this. . . What's not to understand?

(Repost)
Relationships are always an on-going negotiation.

The trick is to deal only with people whom negotiate in good faith.
Both sexs have been known to leverage someone elses "good faith" for short term gains. (/Repost)

Supe, there are women out there who will match whatever "goodfaith" you bring to the relationship.

I've never seen so many men sell themselves so short. Men at a disadvantage? Is that the sad excuse one has for not being able to hold their own in a relationship?

Pathetic.

If you don't understand them (women), then you shouldn't be around them.

It's not rocket science. Personally, I think any man who says men can't understand women or women can't be understood -- or whatever -- does themselves, and manhood, a huge disservice.

I totally agree with you DD74. I've learned that it is not so much as a gender thing as it is a personality thing. I think a lot of guys and gals don't know what they want so they just go on the looks factor in determining who they date. I can see a women that at first you think they is attractive, and then she speaks or you see how she acts and it totally blows it. When I met my girlfriend I noticed she was hot and had a nice smile. Then I watched her interact with people and I liked what I saw. Now it has been one year and things are great and our relationship is very fullfilling and like nothing I have experienced.

On a side note........what is with so many guys being so chick these days? They wear more jewelry than Liz Taylor, they get manicures, and then they start coloring or putting highlights in their hair at age 20. It's all about low maintenance in my book. Just my 2 cents.

I think the planning/laisse faire thing is a valid point. Men and women come from different backgrounds on this. Women rolled out from under the hide in the morning to stir up the fire, feed the kids and grind grains for the evening meal. The man had left before the sun came up to hunt. The woman knew how much wood to put on the fire, how long to grind the grains, where the water would be, etc. The man might have to check out several places to find the meat. Not by the water hole. OK then, how about in that grove of trees? Maybe up that small valley. Men learned not to get too attached to whatever worked last time, and were always willing to try something else.
So, fast forward to the present. Meet me at Georgio's. She gets there, they're closed. He arrives there two minutes later, she's having a cow because "You should have known they would be closed on Monday nights." Hey, whats the big deal? Its just a landmark.
The corollary of this is the apparent contradiction, but closely related phenomenon of Shopping. The man goes out and gets what he needs. Hey! It was right there beside the water hole! I didn't even have to go down to the grove of trees! But for the woman, its about apparent choice. Those grains look so much tastier than these ones. Do you think this water tastes better? Don't you think this stick of wood would go well with the new fireplace rocks? The guy doesn't care. He's got something to eat, water to drink and he's warm. However, if he's smart, he'll smile and nod and maybe the best hunt of all will go on under the hides tonight!
Les

If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

One big issue that has been a problem for many guys I know is that their wives or girl friends don't feel they can "talk" to them. The thing is, when she wants to talk, she really just wants you to hear her out - God forbid you try to solve the problem! Try turning off the TV, looking at her in the eyes give a few sympathetic "ah huhs" and let it run it's course.

When was the last time a woman started a conversation with "honey, I have a problem and I want you to help me solve it". I would really like to know that one - please give examples.

Men are problem solvers and very linear in our thinking. Woman are wired in a web of neural networks. Talk about independent and dependent variables influencing an outcome!

Bottom line, it takes two (or more) to have a fight - her just beefin with out any back talk from us is psychosis. Been my experience that she does it becuase she can and knows it has little influence on how I feel about her. Such freedom she has...

LubeMaster, I can sure relate to your post... it's taken me a while to discover this in my current long term relationship, but now that I do...we get along great. Sometimes it's best just to STFU and listen :)!

From a non-emotional scientific perspective, I read some study where they showed women a bunch of male facial types and asked them to divide them into quicky vs.marry groups, and the big-jawed hairy types (higher testosterone) always went into the quicky.
I'd interpret that as Betty wanting a baby by Bruno and a home by Basil.

I think some U.S. women view the world as occupied only by other women and the family is their business and they are the CEO.
This is represented by the female-competition thing(who has most most shoes/attention of buyers, looks best, has style,etc...).
The worker(man) has to be managed for her version of peak efficiency even if he is already exceding his own (often low)standards and is often replacable(especially in the US where the 60%divorce rate is not cultural shamed as failure). The worker must apply for the job with references from friends or institutions to provide a level of saftey, or may face random macings. The worker must maintain a level of emotional openness by discussing his every intention and be attentive to the CEOs needs. This will be watched closely. It is good to keep current applications of backup workers with a network of "male friends" and associates, but in a pinch they can be stolen from a married girlfriend.
The CEOs vacation/pleasure time is usually one of her choosing and often the worker must work overtime because of his substandard skills. This is often a tradeoff for having a dedicated worker and is often a point of contention.

Sorry 'bout the above view ladies. There are lots of good, harmonized couples out there I respect, and a whole lot of unecessarily subsevient women I feel sorry for, but the queeny self-image still seems to dominant in a lot of places.
I still don't understand the "tame the wild stallion and bring him home" mentality that some women stick to. A horse is a horse...