Coming to your town. MS 13

SteveStromberg · 12-12-2004, 10:08 AM

The United States is deporting gang members but there's a boomerang effect: The culture is spreading across the Americas and winning recruits who see Los Angeles as the promised land.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1294841.html

red ufo · 12-12-2004, 10:24 AM

Hey Jesus freak why don't we just deport them to Iraq? They can come back as US citizens after fighting our holy war while we sit back and play video games.

VaSteve · 12-12-2004, 10:43 AM

Here in NoVA, there is a huge MS13 problem. This is like the East Coast headquarters.

rcecale · rcecale's Garage

Easy enough to fix....

Death Penalty for anyone convicted of being a "Gang Member."

Randy

lendaddy · 12-13-2004, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by red ufo
Hey Jesus freak why don't we just deport them to Iraq? They can come back as US citizens after fighting our holy war while we sit back and play video games.

Oh, you old silver tongue Red

gaijinda · 12-13-2004, 06:53 AM

A bigger problem out on Long Island NY than in NYC. The small towns have their own Barney Fife police forces that cannot deal with the problem. Usually they are killing each other, once in a while a tax-payer.

Time to re-apply Rockefeller drug laws - Long prison terms, mandatory sentencing, no parole. Harsh, but it works.

red ufo · 12-13-2004, 07:11 AM

The only gang in my high school were a bunch of white people. Rednecks with mullets. Either the jocs, stoners, motorheads, or band players, you know the type, you guys! That and us trench coat mafia people that brought weapons to school to keep the rednecks away.

So the 'death penalty' were to be handed out to gangs. Then our entire wrestling team would be put down. But hey that's the gayest damn 'sport' in high school for latent homo sexuals anyway.

lendaddy · 12-13-2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by red ufo

So the 'death penalty' were to be handed out to gangs. Then our entire wrestling team would be put down. But hey that's the gayest damn 'sport' in high school for latent homo sexuals anyway.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you got picked on in High School alot.

chibone_914 · 07:21 AM

This is not a culture. Gangs and gang members are a cancer on society. . Do you remember the chain-gangs of the 20s-30s. They were outlawed because they were considered cruel and unusual punishment. Give them 10 years hard labour, and then deport them to their country of origin. Make it less appealing to be gang-banging here. I know I'm going to catch hell for this statement. But what about the rights of the victims to this vermin?

If you are gang-member, you all should be rounded up and put into interrment camps doing hard labour. Send a message back to their countries of origin that gang activity will not be tolerated here.

red ufo · 12-13-2004, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by chibone_914
This is not a culture. Gangs and gang members are a cancer on society. I say lets not deport them. Do you remember the chain-gangs of the 20s-30s. They were outlawed because they were considered cruel and unusual punishment. I know I'm going to catch hell for this statement. But what about the rights of the victims to this vermin?

If you are gang-member, you all should be rounded up and put into interrment camps doing hard labour. Send a message back to their countries of origin that gang activity will not be tolerated here.

Ok, define a gang?

Just so I know who you plan on locking up, deporting, molesting, etc...

SteveStromberg · 12-13-2004, 08:43 PM

Here is some Bad News.
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_more.php?id=62630_0_10_0_M

bryanthompson · bryanthompson's Garage

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Originally posted by red ufo
Hey Jesus freak why don't we just deport them to Iraq? They can come back as US citizens after fighting our holy war while we sit back and play video games.

Mods did he get the same warning about personal attacks? Or is it all you can eat flamming on the opposition?

Joeaksa · 12-14-2004, 07:24 AM

MS 13 and the other gangs are a very good reason to have a CC permit.

There are areas in LA that you could not pay me enough to drive through even during the day. When it gets bad enough something will happen to clean it up but glad I do not live there.

Used to enjoy Central America but its now on the list of "do not go there" places. Just not worth it and I was there during the war. Feel that this is worse with all the gangs...

Joe A

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

I like the 'send them to Iraq' idea - dey can bust a cap in dem insurgent ass, yo.

legion · 12-14-2004, 09:41 AM

The way I see it, gangs can exist because they are sitting on top of a gold mine. I mean, the sale of illegal drugs is their bread and butter. They can make huge sums of cash, and it's worth it to those involved.

I think trying to directly combat them is difficult, but they could easily be destroyed if we went after their financing. I'm not talking about seizures, we already do that and the more we step up our efforts, the more violent and ruthless the gangs become. I'm talking about co-opting their source of funding. Legalize drugs, all drugs. Tax the stuff 100%, 200%, or 300%. Get rid of the tax-payer-dollar-wasting DEA. The junkies are going to get their stuff regardless, no point in wasting my tax money on such a futile endeavor.

That being said, when I was in high school, I couldn't get a hold of alcohol for the life of me because I would have had to go through legitimate channels. Drugs (had I wanted them) were just a phone call away.

Before I get flamed for being a bleeding heart: I'm pretty much a hard-core conservative, except on this one issue.

gaijinda · 10:25 AM

I see the problem as more than drugs...

Basically, you have people who are valued for their cheap labor and willingness to work hard. However, their kids are raised here and have zero interest in such a lifestyle. Like every other immigrant group, they want more and expect more. And we value them not at all.

So they grab on to the worst aspects of our popular culture (violence & etc) with nothing else to anchor them. They are not broadly accepted into modern America, we are too busy convincing ourselves of the need for "diversity" to do that. More often than not their parents are illiterate, with no education of their own. School is seen as a joke. How many of these kids sit in a billingual ed class, knowing in their hearts they are tracked onto a losing path, falling behind the mainstream?

Not needed or wanted for the hard work their parents do, not equiped to move up the socioeconomic ladder. Drugs, gangs, crime, violence. What else you got??

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

I agree - if people want get strung out on crack/heroin/weed/_____ let 'em - just legalise it and tax the sales channels; in essence use the same framework as for alcohol. Prohibition didn't work for booze, and it sure isn't working for hard drugs.

red ufo · 12-14-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by widebody911
I agree - if people want get strung out on crack/heroin/weed/_____ let 'em - just legalise it and tax the sales channels; in essence use the same framework as for alcohol. Prohibition didn't work for booze, and it sure isn't working for hard drugs.

No doubt, its like trying to get rid of masterbaition. They tried that and it didn't work either.

legion · 12-14-2004, 10:35 AM

gaijinda,

That's an interesting explanation.

Can I propose that we both might be right? I think what you said explains what people are pre-disposed to joining gangs. What I said explains some of the attraction (easy money, instant respect). Put a willing group of people together with an attractive alternative to their parents' lifestyle and you get gang members.

Maybe the solution would have to be two-fold:

1) Eliminate the ability to fund gangs with drugs, as I stated above.

2) Give the people who are pre-disposed to entering gangs a realistic alternative.

I'm not sure how to accomplish the second thing. Any thoughts gaijinda? I would think any real solution would have to open up access to moving up the social ladder. Maybe a revision of our imigration policy would help? I'm not in favor of welfare--it's my belief this just creates motivation to stay where you are in an economic sense.

Joeaksa · 12-14-2004, 10:47 AM

Personally I like Thom's idea. Have raids up and down America where ever the gangs are peddling their illegal drugs. Put all of the homies in several planes and present their A$$ a day later in downtown Baghdad. Let them spread out and discuss "life" with the residents.

Could be very fun to sit back and watch...

Joe A