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Mark Wilson 12-27-2004 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by red ufo
Mods where is the equal moderatoring of this person?

Now is the Pelican Charter meaningless like the UN charter or what?

You contribute nothing to this board or to any part of Pelican community. If mods kick me off for speaking against vermin like you, then so be it. There's some more cheese for you.

red ufo 12-27-2004 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by rrpjr
I'm not "blaming" Clinton or anybody -- merely pointing out the American if not the human impossibility of maintaining a coerced or voluntary secrecy of consequence for an indefinte period of time. Isn't that what we are talking about? JFK was or was not a conspiracy; I choose to see it as an assassination. 9/11 was a conspiracy of sorts, but also a criminal plot the accomplishment of which dissolved the conspiracy. So it was not an open-ended "conspiracy." RFK, again, an assassination. OKC, again, a plot whose event exploded the conspiracy. Waco? I'm not sure what Waco was other than a grand and fatal display of incompetence -- demonstrating my argument about human fallibility and conspiracies.

No, I do not believe in conspiracies, of the type at least in which people hold sinister secrets about spectacular events endlessly into time. People are too incompetent, too driven by an urge to unload their secrets.

What about the mafia?

When you hire uber patriotic morons, they'll do anything you tell them to and drink the koolaid without sugar.

Mark Wilson 12-27-2004 07:04 PM

Yet another koolaid reference. That's gotten as old as the neocon thing. Can't these guys come up with anything new? They all repeat the same junk. It's almost like they drank the same....gulp...koolaid.......

cstreit 12-27-2004 07:06 PM

Hmmm...

I had a long discussion about this with some people today.

Rumsfeld said "The terrorists ... ... [that] shot down the plane over Pennsylvania...."

I believe this was a slip on his part. But WHAT KIND?

If WE shot the plane down and hid it, I don't think this is the kind of slip he would make.

However I find it hard to believe that you could make an accidental slip from "...caused the plane to go down in Pennsylvania..." to "...shot the plane down..." Makes ME wonder what happened!

I didn't think I would stray into "agreeing with red_ufo" territory, yet here I am. Then Red goes and says "meaningless like the UN charter" and I'm agreeing again? Whoa!

RANDY P 12-27-2004 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by cstreit
Hmmm...

I had a long discussion about this with some people today.

Rumsfeld said "The terrorists ... ... [that] shot down the plane over Pennsylvania...."

I believe this was a slip on his part. But WHAT KIND?

If WE shot the plane down and hid it, I don't think this is the kind of slip he would make.

However I find it hard to believe that you could make an accidental slip from "...caused the plane to go down in Pennsylvania..." to "...shot the plane down..." Makes ME wonder what happened!

I didn't think I would stray into "agreeing with red_ufo" territory, yet here I am. Then Red goes and says "meaningless like the UN charter" and I'm agreeing again? Whoa!

Even a broken clock is right 2x a day?

fintstone 12-27-2004 08:39 PM

If this were true, don't you think that counterterrorism czar, Richard Clarke, would have squealed...and then would not have had to tell so many lies to sell his "tell-all" book.

BlueSkyJaunte 12-27-2004 08:51 PM

Did 9/11 happen on Clarke's watch?

fintstone 12-27-2004 09:02 PM

Yes!

dd74 12-27-2004 09:22 PM

How about this question: if a plane that had been comandeered by terrorists were heading for your general hometown or closer yet, city block, and there was a chance to do so, would you want it shot down?

BlueSkyJaunte 12-27-2004 10:19 PM

Yes!

tabs 12-27-2004 11:25 PM

The Aleins are here to creat a hybrid race so that they can colonize another world...

Mike(dat's me) 12-28-2004 03:33 AM

Well stated rrpjr -

I am glad you pointed it out so I didn't have to.

If you use basic reading skills and comprehension on this one... (which before this thread, I would have given everyone credit for having the intelligence to do so; opinion now altered) he should have said "brought down".

O 'well - mountain out of a mole hill. What else would be expected?

Mike(dat's me) 12-28-2004 03:38 AM

And heck yes! Shoot er down!

Hmmmm... Idea for a Sunday Night Movie
Terrorists take over a control tower - report numerous flights taken over by terrorists and watch the US shoot them all down...

where is the fail-safe in this situation?

Eagle Keeper 12-28-2004 04:05 AM

Every one who thinks that this is true should give up watching X files! The number of people that would have to be involved with that would make it virtualy impossible to keep secret! Anytime something bad happens uneducated people have to make up theorys about how we did it to our selves. I have news for everyone there aren't any black helecopters there aren't any little green men!! There is a bunch of wak-a-doos on the internet making up stories that speed the decline of our way of life!!

Mule 12-28-2004 05:34 AM

Tab said:
"The Aleins are here to creat a hybrid race"

They already have. Pinkie is the first of his kind.

If you make a pointy hat from tin foil & wear it always, this stuff will start to make sense to you.

red ufo 12-28-2004 05:44 AM

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Originally posted by fintstone
Yes!
Umm,

Bush removed him and put his duties on cyber security doing 911 if I remember right.

uncleadolf 12-28-2004 05:48 AM

Red UFO makes more since then the plurality who regularly post here. If we lived by the common belief, we would still believe the earth was flat.

Is there no one else here with an open mind who can accept that just one of the many UFO sittings over the last 50 years might be real? Or is your earth (and brain) flat?

red ufo 12-28-2004 05:49 AM

Now Pentagon (satanic symbol) already is back peddling

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down.

Hell they could of just quoted a Pelican spokesman!

Of course this place is going to lie. Like you can get the truth out of them, when they brought us the lies of Jessica Lynch and Dumbsfield wanted to set up a special office of news lies to spread war propaganda.

I can't wait to see now what that dumb old man says next.

kach22i 12-28-2004 06:37 AM

They have a tight story over at the DOD, you have to read into things just to get a glimmer.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/Dec2002/a122602a.html
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About 15 minutes after the attack, we heard two very loud "booms" and were certain that we were under some sort of further attack. A few seconds later, however, we realized the sounds were sonic booms from two F-16 fighter jets deployed from Langley Air Force Base in southern Virginia. They had been scrambled moments before impact and were just reaching the area. Watching those jets streaking across the sky at Mach 1 was extremely reassuring, despite warnings that more hijacked planes were moments away.
Nothing but bad news here:
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/

red ufo 12-28-2004 07:02 AM

Well that morning of 911. The Pentagon was conducting a 'training' excersise in which a jet crashed into the building <= Bush happenstance.
Also NORAD was conviently also conducting a 'training' excerise in which multiple airlines where hijacked, up to 22. Some of which may be remote controlled aircraft.

The odds of NORAD and Pentagon both doing 911 like training excercises that morning shows at some level the certain people in the gov knew what was coming.

This dual coincendence of exercises on the day of 911 were blamed for the reason the gov was confused and dropped the ball. That alone proves Condi is a liar, ie (Nobody could of imagined they'd use planes). Then the FEMA director flew into NY on 9/10/01 and set up command post in NY for yet another 'training' exercise with the FD.

Most likely the US shot down Flight 93, and used it as a soap opera of "lets roll" all with a theather of pys ops like Jessic Lynch/Nick Berg and others to wrangle the hate Americans would have after 911/war to direct the anger and fear into a direction they would steer.

Of course Dumbsfield knows all about 911. He helped plan it with NPAC.

If the neocons here or elsewhere thing this is all tinfoil, then put their money where their big mouth is and take the reward money for proving the towers fell in accordance of the 'official story'


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