Rumsfield: Flight 93 shoot down.

[red ufo]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

So that blasts a hole into the official lie, I mean story of 911.
Either that or this weeks ***** smacking of Dumbsfield running his mouth when he shouldn't. I'm sure the monkey will call him and straighten him out on the story Bush made up for this.

So much for the 'lets roll' tear jerker propaganda. I hear over the radio on 911 that we shot down Flight 93. Several websites have exposed this and Id'd the pilot who did it.

Makes you wonder how many other complete lies about 911 we were told. I wonder if Powell with say the buildings had explosive charges in them next. Such as WTC 7 coming down from imposion and falling at the speed of gravity.

PS, is the title ok, wah...

[TerryBPP]

I'm sure the World Net Daily is a reliable source.

Go away d!p*****. Nobody wants you here.

[widebody911]

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

[red ufo]

Originally posted by TerryBPP
I'm sure the World Net Daily is a reliable source.

Go away d!p*****. Nobody wants you here.

It came from CNN dip****e.

[SteveStromberg]

"shot down the plane over Pennsylvania "

Where did he say we shot down the plane over Pennsylvania?

It sound like he mispoke but the Hate America Crowd put words in peoples mouth.

Cnn isnt that the Clinton news network? Now they are a real reliable source.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Unless the fed gov't was able to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that flight 93 was under the control of non-terrorists, the most expedient course was to shoot it down before it flew back over densely populated regions.

It should be no surprise either way this falls. IOW, nothing to see here...

[red ufo]

Originally posted by SteveStromberg
" plane over Pennsylvania "

Where did he say we shot down the plane over Pennsylvania?

It sound like he mispoke but the Hate America Crowd put words in peoples mouth.

Cnn isnt that the Clinton news network? Now they are a real reliable source.

It says it where he says plane over Pennsylvania !

Ok, maybe you guys need to wait until state sponsored propaganda (fox news) reports it. Or do we have to wait until Man Coulter figures out how to blame this on Clinton.

Who is the Hate America Crowd exactly? What is there URL?

So when the video clips comes out. I suppose that will be doctored?

Or the Apologistic Christian Network will come out and say. 'Thats not what he really meant, like Bush he can't talk either. What he really meant is: bla, bla, bla"

[TerryBPP]

Originally posted by red ufo
It came from CNN dip****e.

What curse word ends in the letter "e"? If your going to retort atleast think it through before making a fool out of your self.

[tabs]

YEAH YEAH RED...Next you will be telling us that there was a cover up back in 1947 at Roswell....that it really wasn't a weather baloon by a flying disk that crashed, the alein bodies and wreckage were taken to Wright Patterson Field.....

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by TerryBPP
What curse word ends in the letter "e"? ... making a fool out of your self.

Don't know many folks from the UK, do you?

[smoak]

It seems this thread is just a picture perfect re-invention of all the previous threads about 9-11. The "conspiracy crew" (henceforth to be known as the CC) throws some theory out there that inflames people with common sense and then those possessing said common sense flame the CC. Days and days of fun I say.

Summation of CC points:

1. 9-11 was an even larger cover up than the O.J. Simpson v. L.A.P.D.
2. Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon
3. Flight 93 was shot down by the "government"

Summation of everyone else:

We use common sense. Physics principles still apply. Pictures are worth 1000 words. And, if that isn't enough, OK, sure, fine, whatever!

PS. OJ is a leather glove using, bruno magli wearing, knife wielding double murderer.

[Pete Pranger]

Originally posted by widebody911
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

Seems to me that Rummy either misspoke or he is saying that al-quaida would be responsible for "shooting the plane down".

So, if "they" did it, how? Were they following it in a pickup with a stinger? Or did OBL have a few fighters laying around?

Either way, the idea of this A/C being "shot down" by *anyone* is a stretch at best, given the time and location constraints. The ability of the military to place a fighter in range given the circumstances that morning is nearly impossible.

I was doing a MCO turn on the day of the Daytona 500 and the military had turned a 50nm radius of the track into "special use airspace" ie restricted. On top of that, there were several F-18s patrolng the area, there was probably more, but that was what I had pointed out to me as traffic by center. Given those circumstances, i would buy a "shot down" scenario, but in some remote area of PA, when no one knew what was going on? I don't think so.

But don't let facts and reason get in your way there "red", just wrap yourself in some heavy-duty tinfoil and guard your doors against those JBTs..............

Pete

[red ufo]

Originally posted by tabs
YEAH YEAH RED...Next you will be telling us that there was a cover up back in 1947 at Roswell....that it really wasn't a weather baloon by a flying disk that crashed, the alein bodies and wreckage were taken to Wright Patterson Field.....

What you gotta to be bring up old **** for?

[techweenie]

It's been made clear *officially* already that the go-ahead had been given to shoot down flight 93.

I think the truth is coming out in small doses, as it often does. On 9/12/2001, there were BBC reports that engine parts came down 6 mies from the crash site. It was my assumption at that time that it was a shoot-down, but that the government really needed the 'heroes of flight 93' story in the media.

[rrpjr]

Rumsfeld isn't contradicting anything. Throughout his litany the terrorists are referred to in the subjective, that is, "the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul,... did the bombing in Spain, ... attacked the United States in New York, ... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, ... cut off peoples' heads on television."

He simply reiterated, in somewhat mangled detail, that the terrorists "brought down" the plane.

As for conspiracies -- does anyone really believe that in a country in which a President of the United States cannot keep secret a sexual liaison with a lowly intern a decision as fraught as the order to shoot down a commercial aircraft, involving a chain of command, could ever be kept secret? This applies to all conspiracies. There cannot be a successful conspiracy. It is a romantic fallacy, a fundamental impossibility. The conspiracy itself is antithetical to the nature of man. Men live to talk, to monger and share their secrets; the "conspiracy" implies a quality of competence, a design of silence, far beyond the capacities of men, certainly at least of modern, waggish Americans.

[red ufo]

Originally posted by rrpjr
Rumsfeld isn't contradicting anything. Throughout his litany the terrorists are referred to in the subjective, that is, "the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul,... did the bombing in Spain, ... attacked the United States in New York, ... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, ... cut off peoples' heads on television."

He simply reiterated, in somewhat mangled detail, that the terrorists "brought down" the plane.

As for conspiracies -- does anyone really believe that in a country in which a President of the United States cannot keep secret a sexual liaison with a lowly intern a decision as fraught as the order to shoot down a commercial aircraft, involving a chain of command, could ever be kept secret? This applies to all conspiracies. There cannot be a successful conspiracy. It is a romantic fallacy, a fundamental impossibility. The conspiracy itself is antithetical to the nature of man. Men live to talk, to monger and share their secrets; the "conspiracy" implies a quality of competence, a design of silence, far beyond the capacities of men, certainly at least of modern, waggish Americans.

Interesting.

This is exactly what I expected side stepping his text, then blaming Clinton. Here we go again with those '16 little words' minimization of the details.

Depends on what the meaning of is 'is' crap.


There cannot be a successful conspiracy

JFK is one that comes to mind.
Or 911, or RFK, OKC, Waco.

Mannhatten project, Roswell.

All conspiracies are successful. The crazy the crime, the crazier it is to to believe officials did it.

More diarrhea from the anus of the OT board.

[red ufo]

Originally posted by Mark Wilson
More diarrhea from the anus of the OT board.

Mods where is the equal moderatoring of this person?

Now is the Pelican Charter meaningless like the UN charter or what?

[RANDY P]

Originally posted by red ufo
Interesting.

This is exactly what I expected side stepping his text, then blaming Clinton. Here we go again with those '16 little words' minimization of the details.

Depends on what the meaning of is 'is' crap.


There cannot be a successful conspiracy

JFK is one that comes to mind.
Or 911, or RFK, OKC, Waco.

Mannhatten project, Roswell.

All conspiracies are successful. The crazy the crime, the crazier it is to to believe officials did it.

Neener Neener so there!

(no different than watching an episode of Scooby Doo .. Wait a minute, Scooby Doo sometimes makes sense.... )

[rrpjr]

I'm not "blaming" Clinton or anybody -- merely pointing out the American if not the human impossibility of maintaining a coerced or voluntary secrecy of consequence for an indefinte period of time. Isn't that what we are talking about? JFK was or was not a conspiracy; I choose to see it as an assassination. 9/11 was a conspiracy of sorts, but also a criminal plot the accomplishment of which dissolved the conspiracy. So it was not an open-ended "conspiracy." RFK, again, an assassination. OKC, again, a plot whose event exploded the conspiracy. Waco? I'm not sure what Waco was other than a grand and fatal display of incompetence -- demonstrating my argument about human fallibility and conspiracies.

No, I do not believe in conspiracies, of the type at least in which people hold sinister secrets about spectacular events endlessly into time. People are too incompetent, too driven by an urge to unload their secrets.