Well, my intention in posting this thread was to indicate an alternative for those who would have gotten a shot but couldn't because of the shortage.

I think most medical procedures involve some risk; usually the risks are very small compared to the results. I don't think nasal spray flu vaccine should be generalized to all vaccines, let alone the flu shot vaccine. I have faith in our medical technology, and don't subscribe to "government experiment" paranoia, at least not in the civilian sector.

I take the vaccine because the flu in and of itself is miserable, and I don't want to get it. I don't want to miss time at work.

werewolf- I think what happened to you is a horror story, and I feel bad that it happened to you. It's outrageous that agencies would deny the truth about what they did, and I hope you receive justice.

SLP- I don't appreciate your faking my quotes or making such innuendos. Please refrain from that where I'm concerned, okay?

Some Q & A from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm

thx foobeemer, u the only one appreciates my sense of humor!

how about producing a more resilient flu strain each year because of mass vaccinations!!! and the fact that you are being vaccinated against the previous flu strain, not the one that will get you. no on should get any types of vaccines, except for things we wiped out. for anything else, all we are doing is aiding in wiping ourselves out from viral infections.

repoe3

I'm not a medical expert, but I find "producing a more resilient" strain hard to believe. Do you have any facts to support that?

Yes, the vaccine is based on an educated guess as to what's coming here. But they've been good guesses, percentage-wise. Did you read my link?

So, when there's an AIDS vaccine you would pass because it's not wiped out? Seems to me there's lots of useful vaccines out there for diseases that aren't wiped out yet.

you are kidding, right? i am not a medical expert either...does it show? would this supposed AIDS vaccine potentially give you AIDS if you took it? perhaps, as usual, i was not specific enough for the gallery of people out there. when something is NOT life-threatening, it is merely an annoyance like the cold, the flu, etc...people need not be vaccinated against it. the primary reason, IN MY OPINION (in uppercase intentionally), for vaccinations is so the loss of production from people out sick for themselves or their children is minimized. it is a grand conspiracy..one anyone from the west coast should appreciate...

so, not the sounds of beeping reverse warnings, eh?

repoe3

Kidding about what? Just discussing...

I would seriously doubt an AIDS vaccine would give one AIDS because the HIV virus is complicated and appears in many different forms. If they do develop a vaccine based on mimicing the virus, it'll have to be on some common feature to all/most of the viruses and I doubt it'll be functional to cause the disease. If there is a risk, then perhaps it'll only be worth it to those in high-risk groups who, for example might be willing to trade a 0.01% chance of contracting the disease to avoid an 80% probablility of getting otherwise infected.

Don't you think a lot of people take the vaccine just to avoid getting the flu? IMO, that's a primary reason as well.

What's the grand conspiracy? You are kidding, right?

Note: I get the vaccine to avoid time away from riding the R1100S. Or other motorcycles. Or tinkering or accessorizing the R1100S.

Wouldn't want this thread deleted...:rolleyes:

Note: I get the vaccine to avoid time away from riding the R1100S. Or other motorcycles. Or tinkering or accessorizing the R1100S.

Wouldn't want this thread deleted...:rolleyes:

yes, i am kidding...maybe. if there is anythign i am consistent about, anything OT is compleately up for grabs and can be responded with any such gibberish one sees fit :D

yes, there is a conspiracy...what it is i can not say...they might kill me.

you know all those warnings on labels about washing hands after handling this or touching that..try licking them once, then wash. might taste bad, might taste good...but you just vaccinated yourself to some degree. go eat a spoonful of dirt. wipe your nose with your hand and then rub your eyes (this is particularly a good thing to do after you handle the stuff you should have washed your hands of first and licked...you get the full effect).

if you are prediposed to get sick, by all means, get vaccinated. people lose sight of individual differences that affect such decision making. i rarely get sick. in the past 20 year, i can think of only two instances where i was very ill...and only once did i get anything for it. aside from that, the usual adjustment period between seasons. perhaps riding makes me either a bit more sensitive or less as i am continually exposed to God knows what while riding, let alone the temperatures that i ride in...all i have let to ask is this...the next time you go get a shot, can i stick you? you might not want to get vaccinated after that :D

repoe3

I can see you're just kidding around now, repoe man. But your earlier post smacked of misinformation. I think the vaccine is valid and worthwhile for those who choose to take it. I'm just offering some heads-up on the availability of that option.

yes, all kidding aside...i am AGAINST preaching to the masses that vaccination is the RIGHT thing to do. it is like saying being right-handed is wrong and left-handed is wrong. know whatta mean?

repoe3

So, three questions.

- are you suggesting I am preaching to the masses to vaccinate?
- are you preaching to the masses to not vaccinate?
- you're not left-handed, are you?

does anyone but me watch the "history channel"? the show from time to time has political agenda and you have to be able to separate fact from propaganda sometime.
the point is, they had a show on a couple of years ago about the spread of viruses and germ warfare. it seems that the US army unleashed a virus on oakland california back in the early 50s, to see how the wind currents would spread it. the virus was released from a ship and they figured that they would document. the travel of the virus by people reporting sick to the various hospitals. (hey, not a problem, im sure citizens will be glad to help) well, the virus was a little more potent than planned and people started dying! oops! (what the hey, everyone has to go sometime)!
it was "top secret" for 50 years and just recently allowed to be known by the public.

I am not anti-vaccine (although I might sound like it). First of all, vaccnes are not like antibiotics. It is the anti-biotic that kills the bad stuff. A Vaccine just stimulates your immune system to do the work by giving the an idea of what to attack. I am not sure that stronger strains develop due to wide use of vaccines.

Anyway, my problem is not that it makes sense to vaccinate large populations on the whole. I just think that the medical community gets so carried away with the goodness of the benifit that they play down the reactions experience by a small minority. In fact, some people can get hurt badly and we should not ignore it. There is a lot of experimentation that goes on in the medical community before they can declare any medication safe. Generally, there are few problems with vaccines, but not always. I reject using a particular population as unwilling subjects to do this testing. People should always know exactly what the risks are that they are going to be subjected to and offered a chance to opt out.

Steve,

My sincere apologies, I was only trying to add some levity to a grim topic and didn't think I would strike a sensitive nerve.

Sean

Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it!

-did i say YOU in my statement?
-i don't care for the sopabox, but if you give it to me...
-i write right-handed but eat both-handed, i used to be able to switch hit...so i think i am an honorary something

repoe3

You implied it was me, but I was not. And thanks for answering a question with a question.