On a lighter note... BSG

[ernestedward]

That's what my friend thinks as well, but so far we haven't gotten ANY indication from the Pegasus crew that they are unhappy with the Admiral. It seems like they would have worked that in somehow..

[Z-man]

Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
It certainly was edgy...but I had it called way ahead of time...just saw it coming by piecing together the "preview clips" at the start.

When the Pegasus cylon turned out to be 6, my girlfriend belted out "You called it." That wasn't in the clips but I figured they needed a way to work that actress back into the scripts as someting other than a hallucination. Maybe the show is becoming too predicatable.

I will make yet ANOTHER prediction: The Galactica/Pegasus battle will not happen. Cylons will attack the fleet (or the recon party) and all fighters will be needed to defend the fleet.

Another alternative....the battle will not happen because the President intervenes on behalf of Adama. Says her ships will not resupply Pegasus or tolerate it's presence unless Pegasus stands down and hands Helo and the Chief over to civilian authorities. This one is a long shot.

I feel the first scenario is WAY more likely. Anyone want to propose a few more scenarios and make it a poll?

Hmm - some interesting predictions/possibilities.

I have a feeling that Starbuck will come back from her little secret recon and reveal something so shocking that the 'civil war' between Pegasus and Galactica will end abruptly.

However, I feel there's something fishey or forced in Cain's actions - I doubt she and her crew are Cylons, but there's something just not right. And why did she abandon the rest of humanity during the initial Cylon invasion? Perhaps she's going through some guilty complex because she didn't follow protocol, and now she's trying to make up for her mistake by 1. Following the military code to the last word and 2. Destroying as many cylons as she and her crew can.

And to step in and disuprt the Galactica crew, despite all the unorthodox things that have happened is just plain illogical, espeically doing it in such a manner as she did.

I tell you, there's something wierd about her. Not cylon wierd, but somethings not right. Seems the only person from Galactica that she favors is Baltar. Wonder if there's something there....and speaking of Baltar,...

Baltar's confession to the new Number 6 was some good acting and almost reveals the true source of his 'hallucinations.' So infatuated is he with Number 6 that he may have developed an 'imaginary friend' out of her. Also: I wonder if Baltar will ever go over to the other side: ie: become a leader for the cylons. As the show progresses, it seems less likely that they will parallel this with the original series.

Not the best episode to date, IMHO. Still good, but it didn't leave me on the edge of my seat like last season's cliff-hanger.

-Z-man.

[cowtown]

Originally posted by ernestedward
...so far we haven't gotten ANY indication from the Pegasus crew that they are unhappy with the Admiral. It seems like they would have worked that in somehow..

Not quite true - the current Pegasus XO was put in place when the previous XO defied an order and the Admiral shot him in front of her men.

Z, I like your theory about Starbuck finding something shocking enough to pull everyone back together.

[skipdup]

Originally posted by cowtown
Not quite true - the current Pegasus XO was put in place when the previous XO defied an order and the Admiral shot him in front of her men.

I'm confused... First, the Peg. XO tells Tigh about the Admiral shooting the past XO in the head, but then laughs and says j/k. But then Tigh tells Adama it's true.

What did I miss?

- Skip

[1967 R50/2]

Originally posted by cowtown
... Admiral Ro...

Ya know I thought she looked familiar!!!!

Originally posted by skipdup
I'm confused... First, the Peg. XO tells Tigh about the Admiral shooting the past XO in the head, but then laughs and says j/k. But then Tigh tells Adama it's true.

What did I miss?

- Skip

You missed nothing except that Tigh thought that the Pegasus XO knew he had said too much and was trying to dismiss his previous statement as a "joke".

Cain has got one thing straight though: There is way too much un-military behaivor on Galactica. Starbuck and Apollo would have face a firing squad several times at this point. Not to mention the guy who put a gun to Tigh's head. Helo and the Chief would have also been very familiar with the inside of the brig for their various fights.

Of course, Baltar, although a civilian, would probably also have faced a court for killing Crashdown. How that one is remaining a secret I have no idea.

Tigh...well, I don't know if they can do much to him for drinking...unless he was drunk while ON DUTY...and I don't think he has done that yet.

[Deschodt]

The way I see it, some big battle will happen with the cylons postponing the confrontation with Adama, the biatch admiral will do something very "in character" such as ram the "unknown" cylon vessel and destroy her ship in the process... Let's face it, the show is called Galactica, not Pegasus ;-)

From a storyline standpoint, Galactica has been resupplied, they get to pick up a contingent of new vipers and pilots who did not die during the ramming (those new vipers models have to be reused, they already paid for the computer models in the first episode -)

Appolo and starbucks are not on the pegasus anyway, the chief and agathon escape somehow, thanks for playing... The "rape" thing and the admiral's attitude were a bit exagerated for me, but still, I liked the episode, as she plays a convinving biacth, not to mention as someone said she made a few good points about discipline... I am surprised she did not broach the "finding earth" topic and antagonize the president as well, just to make her character the anti-christ....

[red-beard]

I actually have the original episode still on the DVR, from the original series. They are way over doing the character.

[legion]

Originally posted by ernestedward
That's what my friend thinks as well, but so far we haven't gotten ANY indication from the Pegasus crew that they are unhappy with the Admiral. It seems like they would have worked that in somehow..

I disagree, when the Admiral gave the command to launch Vipers, the whole crew seemed to get a look of "here we go again".

[ernestedward]

Originally posted by legion
I disagree, when the Admiral gave the command to launch Vipers, the whole crew seemed to get a look of "here we go again".

But contrast that to the scene where Helo and Tyrol are informed about the "Cylon Interrogator's" plans - a perfect opportunity to expose some displeasure among the rank and file (which is who I'm talking about, not the XO). Yet they seemed pleased as punch with how things were going - SANCTIONED (by the Admiral, we have to assume) gang rape of the prisoner was right up their alley..

I do think one easy way to get out of the confrontation is to have cylon interference in the nick of time.. But haven't the writers been pretty good about surprises? I remember I sure didn't expect Adama to get shot.

[1967 R50/2]

OK. I've been watching the first season on DVD...but still it seems I have managed to miss somethings. Hopefully you guys can fill me in.

1. The Galactica has BOTH Viper Mk 1 and Viper Mk 7s. I know where they got the Mk1s from...they were part of the museum display. And I know where they got at least 1 Mk7 from...it was Apollo's. But where did the rest of the Mk 7's come from??

I even know where Gehta and Baltar upload the non-sobotaged navigation software into the Mk7s...but I must have been out of the room when they acquired the Viper 7s.

2. It is freaky how Sharon "wakes up" from being a cylon and has no idea what she's done....or at least is not willing to admit it to herself. Can't believe the chief didn't figure this one out earlier...or maybe he was not willing to admit it to himself either. BTW: THis was wierd in it's own right. A couple of C4 bombs blow a huge hole in the ship while a 50 Kiloton cylon doesn't seem to do nearly a proportionate amount of damage.

One hole in the plot here: Adama knows the cylons look human, yet short of telling Baltar to work on a cylon detector, he has done nothing to improve internal security. Sharon just walked into the arms locker and stole the detonators.

3. In the show "33" there was a gaping hole in the plot. The fleet is jumping every 33 minutes, and every 33 minutes the cylons show up. Finally, the 33 minute deadline passes but no cylons show up. Instead of jumping AGAIN, presumably to get out of range and to an unknown location, they hang around. Of course this was necessary to drive the plot, but I was just wondering if the writers ever gave an explanation that maybe I missed.

Eventually, they do jump again, but the cylons do not follow, presumably because the Olympic Star was destroyed and this was the ship they were tracking.

4. Are all the 12 colonies in the same solar system? After watching the mini-series it certainly seemed that way. However, I hadn't seen the miniseries before and I had the pre-conception that the 12 colonies were in 12 different solar systems. Hence the map room scene on Kobol where they look up and "see the stars of the brothers" in the constellations.

Furthermore, 12 habitable terrestrial planets in the same solar system seems to be a statistical impossibility. So I was kind suprised to see this played out that the 12 colonies were all in the same solar system. They never actually SAID this was the case, but it seemed to be hinted at.

5. In the miniseries we see Tigh marking off how many glasses of scotch/whiskey/golden brown fluid he has left. He's got FIVE. Sorry, but this guy would lose the alcholism real fast. He'd run out in a day or two. He didn't discover that they were making moonshine onboard until almost the last episode of this season which is MONTHS later. Did he find a secret stash somewhere?

Any thoughts on this stuff?

[legion]

My thoughts, for what they are worth:

Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
1. The Galactica has BOTH Viper Mk 1 and Viper Mk 7s. I know where they got the Mk1s from...they were part of the museum display. And I know where they got at least 1 Mk7 from...it was Apollo's. But where did the rest of the Mk 7's come from??

The Mark I's were for the museum. The Mark VII's were what the ship actually had as fighters.

4. Are all the 12 colonies in the same solar system? After watching the mini-series it certainly seemed that way. However, I hadn't seen the miniseries before and I had the pre-conception that the 12 colonies were in 12 different solar systems. Hence the map room scene on Kobol where they look up and "see the stars of the brothers" in the constellations.

Furthermore, 12 habitable terrestrial planets in the same solar system seems to be a statistical impossibility. So I was kind suprised to see this played out that the 12 colonies were all in the same solar system. They never actually SAID this was the case, but it seemed to be hinted at.

I thought they were in close solar systems, but not the same solar system. They still jump to get from planet to planet. And they have the "red line" or border between known space and unknown space. Actually, because the ships can jump, they don't have to be anywhere near each other...

5. In the miniseries we see Tigh marking off how many glasses of scotch/whiskey/golden brown fluid he has left. He's got FIVE. Sorry, but this guy would lose the alcholism real fast. He'd run out in a day or two. He didn't discover that they were making moonshine onboard until almost the last episode of this season which is MONTHS later. Did he find a secret stash somewhere?

I thought that was him making an effort to pace himself, not to count what he had.

[1967 R50/2]

Originally posted by legion


I thought they were in close solar systems, but not the same solar system. They still jump to get from planet to planet. And they have the "red line" or border between known space and unknown space. Actually, because the ships can jump, they don't have to be anywhere near each other...

I thought that too. But when Galactica was getting ready for it's first jump to the ammo depot, Adama was going on about how the whole Cylon fleet was between them and the depot. When Adama said he was going to jump there rather than cruise there, Tigh said something about "You're going to do what nobody in 20 years has tried to do."

This last statement made me think that FTL travel was not something they wanted to do on a regular basis, but only under emergency/wartime conditions.

Later, Colonial 1 left behind a bunch of ships that were not FTL capable, indicating that getting to and fro between the colonies didn't require FTL travel.

The more I think about it...the less I think the writers had thought about it.

[}{arlequin]

just to liven this thread up a bit....

[kach22i]

Is it another rerun tonight?

When do we get new episodes?

[david.avery]

Yeah, anyone else jonesing for a new one? Not until Jan...

[Z-man]

Yes, we must wait until January to get any new BSG episodes. Frankly, I wasn't too happy with the cliffhanger ending of season 2- it was almost too abrupt - they could have developed the whole Pegasus story line more before a Galactica vs. Pegasus war broke out!

On another note: my friend and I were pondering the whole "Let's find Earth" goal. Yes, this quest gives the suriviors of the Cylon attack something to focus on, but what are they hoping to find on Earth?

Are they hoping that the humans on earth will be able to conquer the cylons? (What if they find a primitive society once they arrive on Earth?)

Are they hoping the Earthlings will be able to make peace with the toasters?

What are the cylons hoping? They'll find earth and be able to completely destroy ALL humans in the universe? Is that their plan?

OR, are the cylons hoping the Earthling humans will enable the cylons to become more human like, which seems to have something to do with 'their plan.' Will they be able to find more female 'hosts' to pro-create with? IS that their ultimate plan??

Too many questions, and too many days before Season 3 kicks off in January.... ARRGGH.

-Z-man.

[david.avery]

Yeah, I'm with you Z... I've always thought that dragging the war to earth, cylons in tow showed a disregard for humanity. If earth is truly a "hidden" colony, how nice is it to lead a pestilince like the cylons directly to it?

[1967 R50/2]

I do not think they will find Earth. I one of the DVD extras they asked Edward James Olmos when Galactica would find earth.


He said "Never....I hope."...because if they do, naturally, the series is over.

As to the logic of why they are running to earth...well, they are running from the bad guys...and it is the only place they know of to run to. Not many other options out there.

[}{arlequin]

i have to not look at this thread anymore... waiting for the 2nd season of dvd's..... it'll be while

[Z-man]

Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
Not many other options out there.

...except the whole rest of the universe!!

I thought the 13th tribe is known as the 'lost' tribe, not the hidden tribe.

Edit - cool - I post about the 13th tribe, and my post lands on the top of page 13 of this thread!!

I'm hoping that they do eventually find earth - I am really unsure of what era/time frame that we earthlings will be in when they do find us. Will it be medieval times? Modern times? Ancient times? The future? But, like Adama said, if they find Earth, the series is over! And I don't want that!!

-Z-man.