On a lighter note... BSG

[legion]

Originally Posted by Z-man

wonder what legion has to say about that...

-Z

I think our bet will not be settled until the final episode.

They spent the first two season making us think Baltar is a cylon.

Now they are working the Kara Thrace angle pretty hard (new ship--where was she for three months?).

Based on the picture, it is neither of them.

I think Tori missing is significant. What if Tori is the missing cylon and the the final one is already in the picture?

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

OK try this one on for size (just popped into my head):

Galactica finds its way to earth only to find any traces of human habitation long since gone/destroyed. The cylon base ship shows up along with pursuing "hostile" cylons initially looking to blow both the humans and the turncoat cylons (on the base ship with Roslyn) out of the sky. Cooler/more spiritual heads prevail and it is decided that Hera and Tigh/6's kid (we'll assume male) are sent to the surface of Earth to form a new settlement demonstrating new goodwill between the two races.

Everyone's happy and Hera/no-name-kid become "Adam and Eve" giving birth to a new race (us).

The only problem is that makes us 3/4 cylon I guess. Unless it's some kind of thing that genetically gets purged out. Dunno.

Plausible?

Plausible if there aren't any flying motorcylces around. (ref: Galactica 1980).

I just noticed that the banner ad on the bottom of the page was an ad for Battlestar Galactica, TOS on nbc.com. Them cylons are everywhere!

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I hate you, Z-man!



One of the things mentioned by Moore was something to the effect of, "What do you suppose Athena is looking at in the image?"

I thought she was looking over to Natalie.

That would indicate that Sharon/Athena and Helo play an integral role in 'outing' Saul as one of the FF.
Hmmm - interesting.

Also: good read on the Last Supper at the Battlestar wiki. Thanks for the link!

Legion: I suspect the final cylon will be reveal at the mid-season break in a couple of weeks, allowing RDM to wrap things up next fall during the final half-season of BSG.
-Z-man.

[cashflyer]

This may be reaching a bit....

In the original series, the character in Felix Gaeta's position was named Sergeant Omega.
Omega (Ω ω) is the 24th and last letter of the Greek alphabet. It is often used to denote the last, the end, or the ultimate limit of a set.

[Z-man]

This may also be reaching a bit - but can someone take the BSG last supper scene, and superimpose a flipped version of it ontop of itself?

Thanks,
-Z

[fxeditor]

Originally Posted by Z-man

This may also be reaching a bit - but can someone take the BSG last supper scene, and superimpose a flipped version of it ontop of itself?

Thanks,
-Z

Here ya go!

[cashflyer]

FX has the original version, where Six is still with Baltar.
Here is the current version.

[cashflyer]

Does this help any?
Can we draw any direct information from the DaVinci original?

[cashflyer]

Here's a nice hi-res version of the early image.
http://gedblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bsglastsupper.jpg

Z-man noted Athena's hand position. Is there any significance to Six's left hand position?
Is Six looking at something? OR is she looking away from somebody?
In this image, there is only 1 row of lights above Six. Are the cast members more enlightened now since the current images show two rows of lighting?
Why has Six moved away from Baltar in the new image?
Is Lee in the Judas position?

[Z-man]

Thanks cashflyer for the super-imposed image. Doesn't show a whole lot, but I suspect that if the characters are rearranged, there may be something there. (Like putting Athena/Sharon in the spot where the chalice is)

Hmmm - I realize now how much I hate Ron D. Moore.... (I actually respect the guy, especially for his work in getting his podcasts out to his fans)

-Z-man.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by legion

Now they are working the Kara Thrace angle pretty hard (new ship--where was she for three months?).

One thought: Google "Ship of Lights".

Z-man... a few pages back in this thread, you mentioned that Moore indicated Kara was gone for good. Yet she's back. Either he deliberately misled us, or this isn't Kara.

Can we learn anything from what the Hybrid said to Kara before they unplugged it?
Here it is, from another website.

Hybrid: All these things it wants and many more, not because it wishes harm, but because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly.

None shall the maidens rejoice at the dance.

Structural integrity of node 7 restored. Repressurizing.

The children of the one reborn shall find their own country.

Intruders swarm like flame, like the whirlwind.

Hopes soaring to slaughter all their best against our house.

Kara Thrace: I'm here, you wanted me here, so.....

Hybrid: Replace internal ( ? ) control accumulators 4 through 19. They'll start going ripe on us pretty soon. Compartmentalize integrity conflicts with the obligation to provide access.

FTL synch fault - uncorrected.

No ceremonies are necessary.
*** scene break ***
Hybrid: None shall the maidens rejoice at the dance.

Sructural integrity of node 7 restored. Repressurizing.

The children of the one reborn shall find their own country.

End of line.....re-sent.

Track node monitored. Malfunction traced. Recharge compressors. Increase the output to 50%.

*** (multiple hybrid voices are heard here) ***

1 - all these things are happening and more

2 - assume the relaxation

3 - not because it wishes transfers

4 - link the photons

5 - contact is inevitable leading to information bleed

Hybrid: FTL synch fault stands uncorrected. No ceremonies are necessary.

Kara Thrace: I don't understand.....

Hybrid: Centrifical force reacts to the rotating frame of reference. The obstinate toy soldier becomes pliant. The city devours the land...the people devour the city.

Leoben: You can't hurry her, you have to absord her words. Allow them to caress your (?) mind. Don't expect the fate of two great races to be delivered easily.

Hybrid: Assume relaxation mode. The photons in the (?) atmosphere is constant. Intruders swarm like flame, like the whirlwind. Hopes soaring to slaughter all their best against our house.

*************

Hybrid: All these things it want's and many more, not because it wishes harm, but because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly.

*************

Hybrid to Kara: But you are a spark of God's fire. Core update complete.

Kara Thrace: Frak. Unplug the **** thing, let's get the frak out of here...

(The Six gives the eight the nod to break the Hybrid's 'spine'...)

Hybrid: Threat detection matrix enabled. Dendritic response bypassed. The recieved dose is altered by the delayed gamma burst. Going active. Execute. The children of the one reborn shall find their own country. End of line.....

*** The Hybrid screams in a somewhat androgenous monotone as a nearby Centurian shoots the eight that broke the 'spine'. Everyone in the room shoots the Centurian. The Hybrid is still screaming, then Kara says...

Kara Thrace: What do you want from me? Please, I need you.

Hybrid: Ask will it come to pass? The dying leader will know the truth of the opera house. The missing three will give you the five, who have come from the home of the thirteenth. You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end.

End of line.

[cashflyer]

Just one more thought and I'm going home for the day.


Alone she sleeps in the shirt of man
With my three wishes clutched in her hand

The first that she be spared the pain
That comes from a dark and laughing rain

But wish no more, my life you can take
To have her, please, just one day wake
To have her, please, just one day wake

When she finds love, may it always stay true
This I wish for the second wish I made too

But wish no more, my life you can take
To have her, please, just one day wake
To have her, please, just one day wake.

[Z-man]

More proof that the final cylon isn't one of the characters portrayed in The Last Supper picture:

From an interview with Maureen Ryan and Ron D. Moore, April 2, 2006
Maureen Ryan: Just so I understand what I think you told EW for the story that went with the photo, none of the people in that photo is the final Cylon, right?
Ron D. Moore: Yeah. I said that. I probably shouldn’t have said that [laughs] but I have said that. So, yeah [that is the case, the final Cylon is not any of the people in the photo].

So it isn't Balter, or Kara Thrace, or any of the other folks in the pic...
-Z-man.

[cashflyer]

Agreed. I certainly don't think Kara is the cylon.

I posted the Kara/Hybrid discourse on more of another topic... to answer Legion's inquiry about why they are pumping up the Kara character right now. As I mentioned, I think we will find that she was revived by the beings of the Ship of Lights.

Also I think people are missing some of the subtleties. Such as when the Hybrid says, "You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end." She did not say Kara would lead them to their death, or say who "them" is. Which leaves a huge opening for discussion...

Kara is the harbinger. According to Merriam-Webster, a harbinger is "one that pioneers in or initiates a major change : precursor : one that presages or foreshadows what is to come". Is she the harbinger of death to a) the humans, b) the rebel cylons, or c) the original badass cylons?

Kara will lead them to their end. Lead them to their "end" as in death? OR lead them to their end, as in end of the journey?


Here is another subtlety: The hybrid says, "The dying leader will know the truth of the opera house." Many assume this to be Roz, since for 3 seasons all we heard was about her dying ass. BUT... didn't the leader of the rebel cylons just die? (shot by Athena) And didn't she lie on the table, having visions while she died? And what were those visions? (is HE the cylon??)

Last one: The hybrid says, "The children of the one reborn shall find their own country." Many think this is about Kara, thinking she was reborn from a death in the nebula. Does Kara have children? Maybe from when she was in the baby factory? OR...
1) Maybe it's about the 3 that is about to be unboxed, or 'reborn'.
2) Maybe it's about the Admiral, who was atheist but is now 'reborn' into religion.
3) ?

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I posted the Kara/Hybrid discourse on more of another topic... to answer Legion's inquiry about why they are pumping up the Kara character right now. As I mentioned, I think we will find that she was revived by the beings of the Ship of Lights.

I think that avenue is too easy -- I think RDM wouldn't go down that route since there is quite a cheezy element to that. Then again, he pulled of the Pegasus story arc which was in TOS, so he may find a way to pull it off.

My take on the Kara Thrace finding earth / the missing 3 months: wormhole type travel. But that doesn't take into account the squeaky clean ship.

Also I think people are missing some of the subtleties. Such as when the Hybrid says, "You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end." She did not say Kara would lead them to their death, or say who "them" is. Which leaves a huge opening for discussion...

Well, she did say harbinger of DEATH. But what's to say the the hybrid is lying to Kara because she doesn't want to see her reach her destiny??

Here is another subtlety: The hybrid says, "The dying leader will know the truth of the opera house." Many assume this to be Roz, since for 3 seasons all we heard was about her dying ass. BUT... didn't the leader of the rebel cylons just die? (shot by Athena) And didn't she lie on the table, having visions while she died? And what were those visions? (is HE the cylon??)

I think the opera house reference can only apply to the people who have experienced the vision or who were in the vision. Thus, that would be: Prez Roz, Athena, Six, Baltar, and Hera. I think Prez Roz best fits the 'dying leader' reference. (Baltar would be a close second).

Last one: The hybrid says, "The children of the one reborn shall find their own country." Many think this is about Kara, thinking she was reborn from a death in the nebula. Does Kara have children? Maybe from when she was in the baby factory? OR...
1) Maybe it's about the 3 that is about to be unboxed, or 'reborn'.
2) Maybe it's about the Admiral, who was atheist but is now 'reborn' into religion.
3) ?

I think the "children of the one reborn" can be reference to:
4) Hera
5) Tyrol and Cally's child
6) Six's baby (still in the womb)
7) Any child of the skinjob cylons, since they have the ability to be 'reborn.'
8) or, as you say, ??

Interesting discussion and still an excellent show -- the best fiction (and scifi) going on today, IMHO.
-Z-man.

[legion]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

Also I think people are missing some of the subtleties. Such as when the Hybrid says, "You are the harbinger of death Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end." She did not say Kara would lead them to their death, or say who "them" is. Which leaves a huge opening for discussion...

Kara is the harbinger. According to Merriam-Webster, a harbinger is "one that pioneers in or initiates a major change : precursor : one that presages or foreshadows what is to come". Is she the harbinger of death to a) the humans, b) the rebel cylons, or c) the original badass cylons?

Kara will lead them to their end. Lead them to their "end" as in death? OR lead them to their end, as in end of the journey?

I've actually given this quote some thought. What if Kara is the harbinger of death for the Cylons? She does not say whose death...

And further along that line, if Kara destroys the hub, is she not the harbinger of death? She has brought the possibility of death to the cylons, has she not?

I really think these two sentences should be taken separately and NOT together. I think she will lead them to earth, their end.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by Z-man

I think that avenue is too easy -- I think RDM wouldn't go down that route since there is quite a cheezy element to that. Then again, he pulled of the Pegasus story arc which was in TOS, so he may find a way to pull it off.

RDM in a SciFi.com interview, 2004:"I've talked about revisiting the 'Pegasus' episode, because I think that's a cool idea at some point. There's a possibility in my head we might go back and play around with the ship of lights that was in the original series."
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-sfc.html?2004-02/10/13.30.sfc

Originally Posted by legion

I really think these two sentences should be taken separately and NOT together. I think she will lead them to earth, their end.

If you look at how disjointed the hybrid's other sentences are, I agree.

My other post yesterday was Gaeta's Lament. The lyrics of the song he is singing. It has been mentioned that there is info there, also.

[cashflyer]

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

My other post yesterday was Gaeta's Lament. The lyrics of the song he is singing. It has been mentioned that there is info there, also.

And Gaeta isn't in the Last Supper pic, is he?!?

Hmmmm....
-Z

[cashflyer]

I hate to spin in a completely different direction, but something I read indicates some people believe there is a huge significance to Tori not being at the table. They propose that Tori, the president's aide, is left out to make room for the deceased presidential aide, who will be resurrected.
I don't buy it. I think it's going to be a current character.


Where's Dee been lately?
Full name: Anastasia Dualla

> The first name "Anastasia" is the feminine form of "Anastasius", which means "Resurection" in ancient Greek.
> The last name "Dualla" may be derived from Latin word Dualis, which means duo or two.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I hate to spin in a completely different direction, but something I read indicates some people believe there is a huge significance to Tori not being at the table. They propose that Tori, the president's aide, is left out to make room for the deceased presidential aide, who will be resurrected.
I don't buy it. I think it's going to be a current character.

Yeah - I said that on pg 41-ish, when I said the final cylon could be either:
- Ellen (Tigh's deceased wife)
- Billy (Pres Roz's deceased former aide)
- Gaeta


-Z