Bad News For The Anti-Military Crowd...

[rcecale]

No Court-Martial in Iraq Mosque Shooting

SAN DIEGO - A Marine corporal who was videotaped shooting an apparently injured and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque last year will not face a court-martial, the Marine Corps announced Wednesday.

Randy

[Halm]

The only crime here was that "charges" were ever considered.

[Jeff Higgins]

C'mon Randy, we both know that was a highly biased investigation based on fabricated evidence. I won't believe a word of it until it's confirmed by independant, unbiased Italian communist reporters.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by rcecale
SAN DIEGO - A Marine corporal who was videotaped shooting an apparently injured and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque last year will not face a court-martial, the Marine Corps announced Wednesday.

No surprises there.

[Halm]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
C'mon Randy, we both know that was a highly biased investigation based on fabricated evidence. I won't believe a word of it until it's confirmed by independant, unbiased Italian communist reporters.

LOL And even then some on the Left won't believe it!

[kach22i]

According to the Marine Corps, an enhanced videotape of the shooting supports the corporal's claim that the wounded Iraqi was concealing his left arm behind his head.

This is the key for me, when in doubt protect yourself.

So who is this "anti-military crowd"? It's not the same as "anti-war" or the "not so fast" crowd is it?

[Oh Haha]

Glad to hear the news. I probably would have done the same thing that soldier did.

[Moses]

Originally posted by kach22i

So who is this "anti-military crowd"? It's not the same as "anti-war" or the "not so fast" crowd is it?

I was against the war in Iraq, but I an definitely not anti-military. And the Marine in Fallujah? He did the right thing. Absolutely.

[Superman]

I'm guessing that anyone who has the slightest inclination to raise questions about Dubya's presumed genius mind fits into several categories, including "anti-military."

But, for those of you who actually THINK, war is war. I've read Sun Tsu. If war were pretty, a leader could get away with declaring it based on assumptions made using inaccurate information without thoroughly checking on those assumptions.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by Superman
I'm guessing that anyone who has the slightest inclination to raise questions about Dubya's presumed genius mind fits into several categories, including "anti-military."

But, for those of you who actually THINK, war is war. I've read Sun Tsu. If war were pretty, a leader could get away with declaring it based on assumptions made using inaccurate information without thoroughly checking on those assumptions.

It's one thing to raise questions about Dubya's decisions and everything he says. It's quite another to question everything our people in Iraq say simply because Dubya sent them there. Too many folks are allowing their dislike for Dubya influence their opinions about these kinds of reports. The implication has been that everyone in the military, at least those in a position to report these kinds of matters, is lying and covering something up. That they are all somehow corrupt because of the boss they are currently working for. So no, raising questions about Dubya does not label some one as "anti-military". Jumping up and down excitedly clapping your hands at every report of an alleged American transgression, in a war zone, and choosing to believe the reports of foreign reporters, activists, or whomever (with obvious agendas) over our own military's reports might get you labelled as "anti-military". The second-guessing of this Marine's actions by folks that were not there and could not possibly know the circumstances got pretty darn ugly. Mostly, I believe, because of their dislike of Dubya. Maybe in too many cases anti-Dubya has transfered into anti-military. Certainly not for everyone, but for far too many with far too big of mouths about it.

[widebody911]

and choosing to believe the reports of foreign reporters, activists, or whomever (with obvious agendas) over our own military's reports

If all you believe are the miliary's reports, then I guess your programming is already complete; you truly love Big Brother. There is a job waiting for you at the Ministry of Truth.

[Jamie79SC]

Jeff,

Every army ever and every government ever has lied and / or doctored the truth - especially at times of war. Truth may or may not come out by and by. There's nothing special about this army or government in this regard. Randy, you’re a retired solder, how does that jibe with your experience?

[Superman]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
The implication has been that everyone in the military, at least those in a position to report these kinds of matters, is lying and covering something up. That they are all somehow corrupt because of the boss they are currently working for.

Ummmm, the military is a gubmint agency. And we all know what the conservatives here conclude is universally the case with gubmint agencies. Oh, wait. I guess what we're hearing is that all gubmint workers and agencies are corrupt, inefficient, wasteful, etc.......except for soldiers, sailors, flyers and the agencies they work for, which are beyond reproach.

Is that what we are hearing?

[rcecale]

Originally posted by kach22i
So who is this "anti-military crowd"? It's not the same as "anti-war" or the "not so fast" crowd is it?

Well, let's see, shall we?

According to this thread I would say Purrbonker, Joe Clarke, and my "buddy" 350HP930.

Oh, and who can forget the likes of 952 (The sheep farmer) and the crown prince of tinfoil hats, red ufo? Neither of these jokers are with us anymore, but their words are still posted for all to read.

And then there's CHR911S, with comments such as "The military is the last resort for many children that have no place else to go." and "Today, the military is a safe place to hide the product of America's failed social policies. No doubt do to the lack of responsible people that have no business having children."

So, yeah, kach, there really IS an "Anti-Military crowd." And I'm sure thiese are just the tip of the iceberg.

Randy

[Superman]

I think our men and women in uniform deserve better than the "leadership" they are getting. Yes, it is quite possible to be vigorously, emphatically, deeply supportive of our armed services, and also vehemently opposed to the Neanderthal-esque and commercial nature of the decisions of their Commander In Chief. His dad understood how to respect the military. But he does not.

[350HP930]

Originally posted by rcecale
Well, let's see, shall we?

According to this thread I would say Purrbonker, Joe Clarke, and my "buddy" 350HP930.

Ah, so I see the following quote asking that our military follow its own rules now makes me 'anti-military'.

Originally posted by 350HP930
Lets see, this guy in the mosque is defending his hometown from foriegn invaders, is injured and surrenders to the hostile forces.

The next day a pissed off soldier gets a bug up his ass and shoots one of them because he is having a bad day.

Even if its a mistake its still a violation of the geneva convention we have agreed to abide to and the soldier should face the appropriate charges.

If not it certainly shows our military is not enforcing its own rules which makes us even worse than what we were supposedly trying to 'liberate' iraq from.

Even jessica lynchs unit was offered more humane treatement after they surrendered to iraqi forces when the war started.

Those who think otherwise are just proving themselves to be amoral pawns when it comes to beligerant nationalism.

If those were wounded US troops and iraqi insurgents executing them would it still be OK?

[rcecale]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Ah, so I see the following quote asking that our military follow its own rules now makes me 'anti-military'.

No, those words don't MAKE you "anti-military." They only serve to demonstrate that point. Whatever "made" you "anti-military" is between you and your past.

Your accusation that "...a pissed off soldier gets a bug up his ass and shoots one of them because he is having a bad day." really shows your true ignorance to what war is like and what our troops face day in and day out.

In fact, when serving in combat, EVERY day is a "bad day." They only end up being "good", if at the end of the day, you can look back on it and know you survived another one. Obviously this Marine was quite intent on surviving and did what he believed he had to do in order to do so.

Randy

[creaturecat]

so, if an Iraqi soldier was having a bad day, (I am sure you are correct rcescale, they are all bad days) it is then acceptable to murder an unarmed,wounded American soldier that has surrendered? Please differentiate.

[juanbenae]

if dude was on a base stateside instead of fighting for,,, what was it we were fighting for again? he would not have had an oppertunity to kill irak guy, he'd been here fighting terrorism, or queers, or his wife, or abortion, or temptation.

cause you know he's a neoconserve..

[350HP930]

I am suprised Randy is also not gloating over Lynndie England's guilty plea being thrown out too.

Perhaps he will start a seperate thread on how its good that the army is doing its best not to convict soldiers for abusing iraqis as well as killing them?