Brush up on your one line, politically correct, HR approved yet effective combacks. Put him in his place when he ridicules you in front of others...to the point of being speechless.

I'm surprised your boss doesn't pull him aside to straighten him out. If he's that obvious his peers/upper management will likely mention his poor behavior during a conversation...casual or not.

This is a time for psychological warfare. Time to get creative. Maybe a nice crayon illustration by your son with a succint message? Your son doesn't have to be in on it. Just between you and the manager.

Buy him a magazine subscription. Pick the subject (or should I say poison ;) ) and have it delivered to work or "accidentally" to the address of the biggest mouth neighbor in his hood. Heh heh.

It's amazing what can be paid for and delivered via untraceable money order. Check out the magazines in the "alternative" section at barnes and noble...

This isn't relavant with Lube's problem, but I was a Cubmaster last year and I had a kid whose father's an Ex-con POS, but I alway treated him just like any other parent. Nobody else would talk to him (he's a scary looking dude), but for better or worse a parent is the biggest roll model in a kid's life and I wanted the boy to see his dad treated like everyone else.

looks like your son got a lesson in a-hole 101. i hope he isnt young enough to go to the prick in and tell him, "my daddy thinks your are a poopoo head". be the bigger man, and just file the info away. steamroll him silently.

Great story, David. Especially when one can see how potentially difficult it is for the father in this case, to be accepted back into the free world. Obviously there was a lot of damage in this father-son relationship. You probably did a good amount of repair with your "like anyone else" attitude to the father.

I'd still kick him in the nuts.

Sounds like you have a great relationship with your son. My oldest son and I have talks like that, and he can detect when someone crosses a line (he's almost 7). In the end, you're a hero to him, and he will continue to look up to you regardless of the opinions of this POS. I have developed a smiling kill-with-kindness approach that borders on the ludicrous, and drives people crazy. They eventually give up and move on.

Anyhow, though I like jeremy's baggie idea (LMAO), I would suggest this, it's the easiest.

Usenet is very easy to impersonate. Go on with an anoymouse usenet client (even google groups will do) and post TONS of crap with his email address as the sender. get it in all of the alt.binaries groups as well. This will elevate his spam level 200% in no more than a week, and he will never every be free unless he changes his email address. I have two ex employees that two years later, recieve no fewer than 300 messages (trapped at my mail server's spam trap) each a day.

Hell, where are you? I'll go kick him in the nuts for you.....

now yer talkin' Ice.

Does he ever come to Tampa? I'd love to meet him at the plane... Hey are you Joe Shmoe? You don't know me - but I know you - I'm here to make your visit to Tampa more interesting. I've been sent by (insert son's name here)... I heard you like to run your mouth...

This is going to sound like some hippie philosophy but here goes...

I feel sorry for those types. Obviously the guy is a A-hole. Can you imagine what it would be like to be an A-hole everyday, not liked, maybe no friends, etc?

I don't like being controlled By getting back at him you are letting him control you. I personally find "difficult" people a bit of a challenge. You know, let's see if I can get past the A-hole layer to the nice person inside. There are a lot of nice people trapped in the body's of A-holes. If they turn out to be A-holes to the core being nice to them to plays with their heads so it's win-win. ;)

Life is too short to waste time trying to one up an A-hole Personnaly I think it is a waste of my precious Life Force trying to prove something to someone I don't even respect.

-Chris

AND THEN KICK HIM IN THE NUTS!

That should lower his precious life force a bit.

T-bird - I was going to invite you to come by and kick him in the nuts - meet my buddy T-bird - check out his pointy cowboy boots - :eek:

Those are my roach in the corner killers. Great ...let's ALL go kick him in the nuts!

:D :D :D

You guys have me rolling!

Actually, this guy did a good job at slamming another guy (the new director of key accounts) during the meeting as well. He is a rather abrasive bastid. My company is loyal to the guys that make them money and he has been able to mangage his sales force - mostly through intimidation.

He did a good number on me and my boss a few years ago - really set us up to fail. We were given the opportunity to start a new business group and my boss tried to do the right "political" thing by going to him rather than one of the other sr VPs to get the thing rolling. We needed a sales channel and a territory to work this out in. This guy has the most time in and was the logical choice. Bottom line, he set us up to fail. Then sat back and said I told you so. Took some steam out of my bosses fast track but we were able to recover. I think the CEO understands to some extent but when you run a billion $$ co, you can't make harsh, sweeping changes unless it is strategic. Getting rid of this guy would leave a void in management that would be tough to fill. He does know how to work the system and also how to get the sales.

I will mention the incident to my boss, he and I are pretty tight. I will get his read on it. If I wanted to make this an issue, I would just write my boss an e-mail. Then it becomes company property and subject for action. I have to play this cool - I don't have enough juice yet to go toe-2-toe with this guy on the corp level. He would get a slap and I would get my walking papers. Not worth it.

Mike,

I think you have a good handle on the situation.

Stay on the high road. It really is the only way to do it.

Show them you are mature and professional. That way there is never anything to detract from your job performance.

I'm a fairly unconvetional guy. Long hair, kept a fridge stocked with beer for my staff, gave them comp days when I felt they deserved it, smoked in my office which is illegal in NY. HR hated me.

The company cut me slack because when something needed to get done I was the guy that they came to. I had nearly zero turnover in the depts that I ran and my people were passionatley loyal.

Above everything else I was always level headed, mature and kept the interest of the business as priority 1.

Co was going to rehire one of my former bosses who was just a tyrant but also could get it done.

CEO came to me and asked my permission, he wanted her badly but if it was an issue for me he would pass.

I told him it's not about me, it's about the company and if he thought it was the best thing to do that I would find a way to make it work.

He did not hire her.

Scott

Scott - this guy is a producer as well. I can't say he ain't bright because he is. In fact, he is a shrewd MF that can read a room and manipulate a situation. He can charm the ***** out of you and hit you when you least expect it.

I think my boss handles him the best. He just smiles and gives a little chuckle and says "now now" just like RR used to do. Nevr talks bad about him - maybe the only one that doesn't.

The way I figuer, my boss has taken care of me big in the past and as long as I got a nose, he has a place to sit!

Lube,

Although I do not condone the Fuchers method, he may have been annoyed that you brought a child to the workplace.

Sounds as though your son is well behaved, however he may not like the message going out that its okay to bring kids into the office.

Again, I do not agree or approve of his actions, but this may have been the reason...

That is very possable - I spoke to my boss about it and he actually said something similar. I told him that "that being so, it is a different matter. he is outspoken enough, be man enough and tell me that my kid belongs home". The way I looked at it is that I am on the road way too much. They ask me to work Saterdays as well? OK - no problem, but I'll bring my boy in. If I was in another profession, I would bring him in as well provided it was safe and reasonable.

I plan on bringing him with me more and more the older he gets, provided he wants to be with me. I plan on taking him with me into all the various factories and jobsites. If he is game, think of the things he will learn and see. And I would always make certain of safety and so forth. If the job as an issue with that, I can always get another job. I can't get another Max or get back time that I don't get to be with him. I don't want it to go that way, but that is how I feel.

I guess I feel bad that I don't get to spend time with him (or my Daughter or my Wife) as much as I would like and this is one way to do it.

Again, I think that the issue was handled incorrectly by your company's Management. I do understand about insurance liabilities and the potential danger of a child being hurt, etc.


If noone has told you otherwise then shame on them for handling it wrong. Keep in mind that children may not wish to dissapoint us by saying NO. Ive BTDT but I was glad that it was finally revealed indirectly.

Good Luck to you, keep an eye on him as next time that idiot Manager may say something that would be irrepairable in your sons eyes...

Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. The only way in an instance as this is to go one-on-one in private.

Who gives a rats ass about HR policies or bring your kid to work insurance liabilities (and I am in the HR field). What the guy did was wrong - plain wrong. The ONLY way to approach is man on man - If the company tolerates it, then that's not the type of company I would work for. He does that to me - first he gets a warning - 2nd time and he'll be sitting to pee for the rest of his life.

inexcusable, Why make it ok for rude behavior to be tolerated,
if you let him continue you will be his bi**ch for life, the guy has major penis envy, or he could just be a Di%k!!

try a little visine in his coffee......then race him to the *****er

Based on your statements, you are definately NOT a mainstream Human Resources Professional....

I think Chris' advice is the best of any here. Too bad fewer people can live up to this standard. And it is a great standard that is almost fable in today's world.

Because Jeremy's buddy, T-Bird, with pointed toe, roach killer boots, ...kicked him in the nuts!

Actually you would be surprised...

...no, no surprises here. That is why I qualified my statement.

Getting back to the real issue,

Next meeting, I would live Jr. at home. Come in with my best game face. Conduct myself as a true professional asking or making well-thought, intelligent observations. At the end of the day shake hands (with crushing force) with Mr. Dork and give him the best Fuch You grin you can deliver.

Just came across this: http://biz.yahoo.com/special/psycho05.html

Little OT on this,but my Dad once paid a visit to a teacher of mine , after school hours, we were new to this country..and he keeped badmouthing me and my mom (she's german and talks like Col.Klink on Hogans Heroes )
he laughed about when he told me, "yeah me and Mr Colt saw your teacher a few nights ago., everything okay at school.."just fine Dad" didn't figure out the Mr Colt until years later.
Rika

AH yes Mr. Colt. He lives at my house with his 4 brothers.

Funny story. Only in Texas. Ya gotta love Texans!

Didn't we decide this guy was gonna get a good swift kick in the nuts?

Mike, I admire your cool. I would have gotten right in the guys face, and said something like, "F*** you, you puss-nuts dipdunk a**hole". Not too many years ago that kind of behavior would have meant pistols at 20 paces. Maybe you should start wearing a gun....

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125Shifter,

This is an amazing article. I think LUBE should take the little quiz at the end of the article and tell us how this D*&k scored, I'd be interested.

For anyone who has been victimized by a psyhcopath I think that the sharp tipped boots is the ideal solution. I was married to one!!!! It is an amazing defect, without a remedy, so if this VP disses Lube people in front of his son, confronting the D^&k in the hopes of teaching him something will have the opposite effect. He probably doesn't have a conscious anyway and you will reveal to him that he got to you, which is just what the d&^k wants. The covert ops is the way to go with him as a direct confrontation will result in nothing, the guy may not have a conscious, so why waste your time. It is very hard to understand what these types of beings are like and what they will do or are capable of, so slip on your pointy boots, and/or do him from a political ambush. And if the chance happens, kick him in the nuts (of course no one can be watching).

Why trust him or give him the respect that he lacks? Is this cruel? So be it, these folks exist.

And now on a happier note, the 911 gets new suspension!!!

I feel much better now.

Danimal

If this is a pattern with the guy, I agree that talking to him won't help. He seems to have some insecurities. I think you handled the situation with your son perfectly.

I would take the high road and just keep doing your job the best you can. Things usually come around for a guy like that without anyone's help.

Oh, I just saw that this thread is really old. You've probably put a bear trap on his chair by now....

Oh yeah and did I say you should kick him in the nuts?

The guy has been very very nice to me lately - I helped his top rep cap three sweet closes thet should push his numbers up. I think he will get wrapped by the CEO for not following through with a certain business direction the CEO wanted his division to explore. He thought he was being smart by only throwing marginal reps at a certain focused market - well, the CEO wanted to establish a whole nee business group but need to make it succeed rather quickly to build corporate confidence. The a$$wipe veep thought that he didn't want to commit all his horses to a battle he fealt didn't have fast enough return on so he placed decent reps (but not the best) into the frey. Well, you guessed it, the growth requirements haven't been met according to projections.

Call me a sheep, but when the CEO tells you to direct business a certain way, unless he has been proven to be a puttz, you do it. Our CEO is a real savy guy and not a puttz. I would trust him with my money, this veeps ego is getting in the way. Its too bad their is nobody in the wings to take his place.