hmmm.....how can I do this?

[adomakin]

Dave, the prize? hmmmm...don't know yet.

Dantilla, you are a piss taker!

Bob, good idea! trouble is that the people involved will probably be participating late at night/early in morning so im thinking that they wont want to hang around for the wheighbridge to open.


Any other ideas people?

[M.D. Holloway]

As I understand the problem - you need to authenticate the actual whereabouts of the drivers and they are to hit 3 places to accurately authentcate the time they "hit" that spot. There are some items that are used all the time that meter the activation of the user.
1) ATM machines
2) Drive up Take out (on the receipts)
3) Over night deliveries sign off
4) Wired Money sign off

[M.D. Holloway]

Is it possable to employ these into the rally? I know in the states drive up take out will not allow bicycles or walk-ups.

[gassy]

If someone embarks on this and cheats, shame on them. Odometer is the answer, no?

[tobster1911]

For the data collection at the checkpoints....try RFID Tags. You can have reader systems setup. No monitoring nessasary. Give everyone a passive tag that can be read/written wirelessly. You can log timestamps and all kinds of info. If you would like more info PM me. I work with RFID for a living.

For the Car vs. Bike... You could make the tag "locked" onto the vehicle and the reader semi-mobile. Or you could have the reader also interface to a digital camera that takes a picture when the person checks in at the stop. I could probably come up with quite a few more ideas if you would like.

[adomakin]

Mike H, love the idea of an ATM, that would be a more or less bullit proof way of verifying a check point. the only real issue i have is the car/bike thing.

Tobster, im pm'ing!

Andy

[stomachmonkey]

One way to approach the bike/car issue.

Make sure that the route from a-b-c is not longer than a-c.

In other words don't make a and c the start/end point.

That way they have no choice but to use the car.

You need to plan it so they can't get the car from a to c by bypassing b faster than following the route through a-b-c .

Make sense?

[}{arlequin]

I think the point of this driving challenge will be to get it done some way, some time, but not necessarily w/ people watching, so bringing and showing the car at the finish won't be necessary.

[71T Targa]

What’s the advantage of using a bike? Are you talking about a bike you peddle? Or a motorbike?

[}{arlequin]

i would think that a bike would cut down the course time considerably

even if you have to go slow in the traffic areas, intersections etc (maybe not, b/c it looks like this would be something done late at night), the bike can get to a faster speed, quicker, than a car

[adomakin]

joel, you got it.
Joel F, its motorbikes vs cars thats the issue-im thinking what joel is thinking- bikes will wind it up on the motorways AND will have the advantage in traffic i need to ensure that people use cars and not bikes, otherwise its an unfair advantage

stomachmonkey, i dont get it!

Andy

[stomachmonkey]

I assumed your concern was that someone would start at point (a), drive around the corner, park the car and hop on a bike, run the route and hop back into the car close to the end (c). Points (a) and (c) were monitored.

That's why you needed to verify the car at point (b) which is unmonitored?

If the route were a "straight" line they'd have no choice but to use the car.

Scott

[911pcars]

To insure they're not on a motorcycle, require each car to begin with X gallons in their tank. Provide directions/mileage that end at a gas station (point B) upon which they must fill their tank with more than 5 gallons, pay with their credit card and keep the receipt. They use this to prove a 4-wheeled vehicle was used. If a motorcycle can hold more than 5 gallons, increase the minimum fill-up to 10.

Boy, a lot of brain-power has been exerted over this. Are we all knuckleheads or haven't you come to a workable solution yet?

Sherwood

[}{arlequin]

great idea, 7-8 gallons should cover it. if you pay w/ a credit card you'll also get a receipt w/ the time stamp, right?

[adomakin]

sherwood, one of the main issues with this is that I can't be visiting people beforehand or placing bodies at checkpoints to verify stuff etc. it needs to be completely stand alone so that I can simply send persons 1 and 2 some hardware and a set of instructions. i think that the GPS technology is accurate enough to prove that they started and finished at the locations that i gave them at the time that they told me, which gets the whole issue of who the winner is dealt with, its just the problem of cheating by using a bike over a car (which Im thinking is a faster option pretty much every time if you can ride well) I need to be able to monitor and verify everything remotely, which is what the GPS will let me do, but how do I stop people using a bike? at the moment the only solution is to send each person the GPS unit fixed to something large enough so as to be too big to transport on a bike i.e. a 4ftx2ft piece of board, and as much as it would probably do the trick, its a sort of rubbsih solution!

Scott, as i explained above to sherwood, the idea of the setup is to make it a stand alone system. in an ideal situation I would send persons 1 and 2 a GPS unit and some instructions, they drive the route (when they choose to, as long as its within the specified dates) which the GPS verifies, they send the GPS box back to me, I process the data and declare one of them the winner. i was planning on a route that was a good few hours long with a start point and end point far away from each other, rather than a loop.


Andy

[adomakin]

I like the idea of using a fuel reciept to verify date, time and location (I would think) I was thinking about seeing how good some of these 1 mega pixel camera phones are and perhaps arming each person with one and getting them to take a photo of the car at a pre chosen fuel station (not a problem at night, lots of artificial light). they send the phone back to me with the GPS box and a fuel reciept.


Andy

[stomachmonkey]

Camera phone would work.

Require them to email the photo straight from the phone immediately after they take the photo.

Otherwise they can still photoshop the image and replace it in the cameras memory.

Remember that a low resolution image can be easier to fake, the more detail the harder to hide the touch up.

[adomakin]

im thinking perhaps a high end 1.3meg camera phone with flash locked in a 24hour access safe storage centre, people arrive at storage centre, turn on the phone, take a couple of shots, send them to me, turn the phone off, continue on the way to point C.


Andy