Just so I know you've got your 'looney lefts' theory right.

[gavinlit]

Saddam has WMD's so we need to invade.

Saddam was an integral part of 9/11 so we need to invade.

We will find the weapons - just stop whining and let us go about our business.

We are looking after the prisoners - just stop whining and let us go about our business. What are you - unamerican??

He really did have the weapons but they must have been stashed somewhere. Look we really went over to plant democracy ok. And anyway, if he had weapons in the 80's he might have still had them so he might have been dangerous. So stop whining and let us go about our business.

Mission accomplished.

What do you mean invading a country is not the best way to start a democracy? Don't be so unsupportive. You will encourage all of the terrorists who otherwise wouldn't be attracted to us.

Ok - there are some bad apples in the forces looking after the prisoners but we're dealing with it. God you lefties whine a lot.
Yeah I know the photos look bad but the real problem is we're treating them too nicely. Shut up about it ok - they're prisoners for gods sake. And besides people over here are killing other people so what we're doing's not really so bad in comparism.

Look, people die in wars and more people die every year from (insert anything you like here) so is it really such a big deal? If you think you can invade a country and cause less deaths then you take over. Oh that's right - you can't tell us how to get out of the pit while we're still digging. See you've got no answers hav e you. God you lefties whine a lot.

It's going to be great. Really it is - democracy, everyone will be happy, we got Saddam. Osama who? Oh he's not that important really. Don't forget, all be because of us and not you unhelpful whingers so just shut up ok. Give us more time and it will all work out well - no really. Trust us. And if you don't just shut up. If you were a real man (had a dick, loved the country, cared about the sacrifices of our servicemen etc) you would support us. We've got good intentions so that should be enough. Ok? Ok. Bloody whinging lefties and media. They just don't understand do they.

Edit - Goooooo team! Who needs those lefty pussies anyway.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by gavinlit
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Edit - Goooooo team! Who needs those lefty pussies anyway.
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Well put!

[gavinlit]

Thanks - I won't be overly surprised if it's the only line many people grasp.

[lendaddy]

Haven't read it yet but you get a no matter, comments to come.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by gavinlit
Saddam has WMD's so we need to invade.

Saddam was an integral part of 9/11 so we need to invade.

No, Saddam was a factor in terrorism in general, but not 9/11

We will find the weapons - just stop whining and let us go about our business.

I don't know that we'll ever find them, but I do believe they were there.

We are looking after the prisoners - just stop whining and let us go about our business. What are you - unamerican??

Close, I would say we run the most humane POW style camps/prisons in the history of war and stop thinking the worst of your country as the default

He really did have the weapons but they must have been stashed somewhere. Look we really went over to plant democracy ok. And anyway, if he had weapons in the 80's he might have still had them so he might have been dangerous. So stop whining and let us go about our business.

I would say ofcourse he had weapons. Democracy, regime change was always one of the goals. It was a broader scope where we felt Saddam needed to be dealt with as part of our "zero tolerance" approach to terrorism and support therof

Mission accomplished.


When this was said, sure. The invasion was accomplished and in record time. I recall the left telling us how his army would fight to the death and we were not prepared for a summer invasion, etc..etc.... Do you guys really think he meant "OK lets pull out, we're all done here"? If you did you're a fool. This is a classic case of the wordsmithing I spoke of a few days earlier

What do you mean invading a country is not the best way to start a democracy? Don't be so unsupportive. You will encourage all of the terrorists who otherwise wouldn't be attracted to us.

We don't shoot at people who don't shoot at us. It is a liberation from the oppressive regime. We're not trying to rule the country or take it over. Stabalize and stop shooting at us and we'll leave (empti-handed I might add)

Ok - there are some bad apples in the forces looking after the prisoners but we're dealing with it. God you lefties whine a lot.
Yeah I know the photos look bad but the real problem is we're treating them too nicely. Shut up about it ok - they're prisoners for gods sake. And besides people over here are killing other people so what we're doing's not really so bad in comparism.

See above answer to same question. But yea, that's close.

Look, people die in wars and more people die every year from (insert anything you like here) so is it really such a big deal? If you think you can invade a country and cause less deaths then you take over. Oh that's right - you can't tell us how to get out of the pit while we're still digging. See you've got no answers hav e you. God you lefties whine a lot.

sorta, see the number of Americans lost taking over and occupying an entire country is staggeringly low by historical standards. So giving us a body count as a means of proclaiming failure is ignorant and does a disservice to those who've died

It's going to be great. Really it is - democracy, everyone will be happy,

It's going well, with lots of work ahead. Most of that work is for the Iraqi people though

we got Saddam.

correct

Osama who? Oh he's not that important really. Don't forget, all be because of us and not you unhelpful whingers so just shut up ok.
We'll get him someday, he's just one man and this is not about one man. He is a non factor now cause he knows if he shows his face he's done for. So yea, he's been neutered

Give us more time and it will all work out well - no really. Trust us. And if you don't just shut up. If you were a real man (had a dick, loved the country, cared about the sacrifices of our servicemen etc) you would support us.
Can't comment on your twig-n-berries, but yes I think it will work out well in the end unless we pull out. If we do that America will be the one neutered. We will then become the biggest target in history. The success of this is vital to the world now, not just us and them.
We've got good intentions so that should be enough. Ok? Ok. Bloody whinging lefties and media. They just don't understand do they.
I don't know what you mean, kind got squirrely on me there


Edit - Goooooo team! Who needs those lefty pussies anyway.
Indeed who needs em, but you have a right to your opinion.

[Tim Hancock]

That is pretty much how I see it!

[gavinlit]

Ok -well put lendaddy At least we know we're both pretty close to the mark now. Kinda funny isn't it.

[on-ramp]

i think you have it pretty much covered.

[djmcmath]

You know what I really liked about Switzerland? There aren't any American Memorial Cemeteries there. You know why that is? It's because we've never had to send our boys into Switzerland to rescue them from their own dictator.

If you look at press outside the MSM, you'll find pictures of happy smiling Iraqis holding hammers and helping American soldiers build schools, houses, and other infrastructure. You'll find pictures of smiling Iraqi children surrounding the GIs, because, for the most part, the Iraqi citizenry are pretty happy about who we are and what we're doing there.

I suspect that 50 years from now, the Iraqi people will have a tiny memorial cemetery for the few thousand who have died over there -- tiny, that is, in comparison to the festival that they'll be throwing celebrating their liberation. I hate to make irrelevant history comparisons, but some small part of me really thinks that Iraq is the new France.

[gavinlit]

"...some small part of me really thinks that Iraq is the new France."
Good thing it's only a small part & you have 'mildly delusional member 'under your name. "...for the most part, the Iraqi citizenry are pretty happy about who we are and what we're doing there." I'm sure certain sectors of iraq society are happy but it seems there are quite a few who are not.

What's the MSM?
Edit - I agree it's nice that switzerland has no need for a memorial. I also agree it'd be nice if more countries had no need for memorials.

[ZOA NOM]

"koombyaa my Lord, koombyaaa." "All we are saaayyyyinnnggg, is give peace a chance...."

C'mon, you freeloaders can come up with a good song for us, can't you?

Nah, just keep whining while somebody ELSE takes action to make change in the world, and enjoy the fact that you never had to choose whether to go into Saddam's shredder feet first or head first.

[Moneyguy1]

As much as it pains me to say it, the American revolution was not a case of some other country coming in and forcing us to become a democracy. Permanent and effective change has to, in very large part, come from the inside like the colonies, France a few years later, the Magna Carta and so on. There was more of that in Afghanistan than there was in Iraq, but the time when that would have garnered the most in Iraq was ten years earlier when both the Kurds in the north and the Shia in the south were ready to rebel, but there was no one on the ground to really help them. So, as pleased as many Iraqis are to have the help now, there has been a long learning curve on their part to trust that we are there for the long haul.

Granted, there are places all over the world that are trouble spots where people die needlessly by the tens of thousands, and little is done to assis them. SOme say that is due in part because these countries are poor and have no resources that interest the rest of the world. Well, my friends, it is just places like that where the "insurgents" come from due to poverty and suppression. Africa has a number of places like that; the Middle East has dichotomies in its population that are awesome with nearly the total wealth in the hands of one family (guess that country for a prize..an all expense paid trip by rowboat to Mecca) or very few people. Sure, we are doing good over there. That should not be denied. THere have been sacrifices in life and limb. Am I happy about that? No. Could it have been done another way? Maybe so, but the time for that speculation is over. Pandora's box has been opened and we will be lucky if we can corral even a meaningful part of the devils we loosed on the world.

Read the history of the ME during the twentieth century. Watch the CIA and other agencies back first this one, then the other. A very interesting cast of internation skitzoid behavior. The so-called civilized countries have little to be proud of in their handling of that part of the world. And then these countries wonder why people who go over there to give humanitarian aid are mistrusted and worse.

Narrow minded views on both sides of the aisle better bone up on history and then ask themselves:

Why are we REALLY there?

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Why are we REALLY there?

Gimme an O

Gimme an i

Gimme an l.

What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that spell?

(Oh, and Israel gets a more stable water supply, too.)

[tabascobobcat]

Originally posted by techweenie
Gimme an O

Gimme an i

Gimme an l.

What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that spell?

(Oh, and Israel gets a more stable water supply, too.)

I imagine that is why I paid $2.29/gal this morning.
Must be free flowin'.

[Racerbvd]

You know what I really liked about Switzerland? There aren't any American Memorial Cemeteries there. You know why that is? It's because we've never had to send our boys into Switzerland to rescue them from their own dictator

Yea, those Swiss are great, look at what they did with all the Jewish money Nazis deposited with them, and what they did with it after the war.

[tabs]

Originally posted by techweenie
Gimme an O

Gimme an i

Gimme an l.

What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that spell?

Oil = Techies Standard of Living....

It means your job, your car, your house, your bank account...without oil your gona be living in a mud hut, pissing and *****ing in the water you drink....just like your forebearers did 1000 years ago...

The fact of life is that Modern life DOESN"T GO ON WITHOUT OIL.....or lets say a steady, stable supply of reasonably priced energy which is spelled Capital O small i , small l.......

Now some in Amercia don't realize the world is a hard, cruel place where only the strong survive..those people have lived in only prosperous times in America. and don't have a clue....they whine about how AmerCIA treats the prisoners at GITMO....or about Freedoms being Abridged in AmerCIA....What they don't realize is that U either do those nasty things or you don't survive...either that or those whining do--gooders have a political agenda to get themselves into power by destablizing the current policies...but they play with fire in a time of crisis...cause it can all back fire on them and leave them all living in those mudhuts that their forebearers lived in a 1000 years aGO...

[gavinlit]

"they whine about how AmerCIA treats the prisoners at GITMO....or about Freedoms being Abridged in AmerCIA....What they don't realize is that U either do those nasty things or you don't survive..."
Yep that's right tabs, if you don't throw away every notion of basic human rights and run rampant over everyone else you don't survive. Treating prisoners/suspects within international law would surely halt the flow of oil and cause civilization as we know it to crumble, returning us all to the stone age. But maybe that's the line of thought to be expected from someone who's forebearers pissed and shat in the water they drank. Someone should have told them to do it downstream of where they collected their drinking water.

[Stukarrera]

Not bad Gavin - although I felt the theory could be improved / embellished with some biblical references. Or rantings about christianity and how god is on the US' side etc.

[techweenie]

Gavin, once upon a time, people in the U.S. went to school, stayed awake in 'Civics' class, learned about moral leadership, and formed their opinions about this country based on the ideals of the founding fathers.

Today, there are about 40 million Americans who get their notions of national comportment through radio entertainers who see the world as one big WWE match.

Although their voices are loud, they are not the majority.

[tabascobobcat]

Originally posted by techweenie
Gavin, once upon a time, people in the U.S. went to school, stayed awake in 'Civics' class, learned about moral leadership, and formed their opinions about this country based on the ideals of the founding fathers.

You forgot that they said the pledge of alliegance and took a moment for a silent prayer (reflection) too.