I guess it's "One Nation Under God" against Some Nations Under Allah? I get the impression that there are many here in the States that desire a Christian caliphate.

sounds like the old bumper slogan "Kill all extremists"

I prefer economic/political war with goal of countering the terrorist propaganda to the young recruits. End the supply chain of suicide bombers and make the terrorist organizers impotent.

Also, I always find it hypocritical for "Christians" to keep calling for the death of others.

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We may be one nation under God but we don't specify whos God. I might add that I'm not only talking about the US - there are other nations with freedom of religion. The idea is that with an islamic-centric state you worship their God. This is the intolerance I was refering to a few posts ago. Anything that contradicts their belief is considered to be against God - hence the term infidel.

I understand what you're saying, and I'm not arguing with the fact that Islam seems to require a melding between religion and government. I'm really just taking the opportunity to address the hypocrisy of many over here who want the same thing, but with a Christian church melded with our government. Christians are not widely regarded as being tolerant of other religions.

No, it's not. I'm not your usual "progressive" socialist liberal. I'm also a Christian (a Catholic one, at that) and genocide does not square well with my faith. But there is no need to reach that. In fact, genocide is not possible. You cannot stomp out all the cockroaches.

So, I continue to insist that the only longterm solution is to address the root causes of the behavior.

Apparently, Mule missed some of those bumper stickers

"STOMP OUT VIOLENCE" for example.

I completely agree.

Can we agree that the root cause is the conflicting beliefs between christianity and islam?

I don't think that's the answer. I lean toward believing that it is a have/have-not conflict at its root.

Can you support that conclusion?

Not really. (I did say it was my belief, not a fact. :) ) I was only responding to your question as to whether everyone agreed with your theory. I'm not sure why Arab Muslims would attack America as a bastion of Christianity, however. Wouldn't they prefer Vatican City, or bombing any number of American churches? Heck, there are Christian churches in the Middle East that they could attack if it was a clash between Islam and Christianity.

What is it about Christianity that Arab Muslims dislike?

I think both sides of this argument have been well-represented. Some argue that it's socio-economic and some that it's a cultural divide. It wouldn't be too much a of stretch to say that it's both. Which of those two sides is the "primary" reason is going to be a tough argument to sell either way.

To answer the posters original question: "How to Really win the war against terrorists", we must first establish the root cause of terrorism. I fail to see a valid argument for the socio-economics theory. These guys have plenty of money. Now terrorists may be taking advantage of the poor and the uneducated to serve their purpose, but that is not the cause of terrorism. If someone were to offer to give your family a million bucks to blow yourself up would you do it? They believe they are fulfilling a holy calling. Thus more evidence that the root cause of terrorism lies in fundamental islamic beliefs.

I'm just going to repost a couple of my previous posts:

The problem is the differences between our fundamental beliefs. These people don't like us because of what we stand for. Why are so many terrorists muslim? Well, how many christian schools do you know of that teach its members to hate muslims? It is not unordinary to find muslim schools teaching hatred for christians and jews (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loc...27p-66866c.html). This is not an isolated incident.This is standard practice in mulim religion. I mentioned in another thread about the father and son in Lodi who were arrested for lying to the FBI(or CIA). Turns out that they, along with six other members of their muslim church, had attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan and were told to target financial institutions and places of interest. All of this while blending in with a very small accepting community. There is something inherently wrong with a religion that produces such a concentrated number of terrorists. They have no tolerance for other non-muslim religions of Islamic decent let alone traditional western religions. Maybe this is why Seik's and Hindu's don't like them either. The line that seperates a good muslim from a bad muslim is getting very thin.


We're a free civilazation who's ideals and beliefs are fundamentally christian based. Now I'm not saying we're all christian. I'm saying that this country was founded by those with christian beliefs and the rights and liberties given to us stems from such. Do some research on the term "caliphate" and you'll find that it is a muslim belief that all states should have an islamic-centric leadership. This is where our ideals differ from theirs. To them it is destiny that the world should be converted. It is a fundamental difference/conflict of beliefs.

What is your basis for saying it is standard practice? I believe your logic is faulty. 25% of the humans on the planet are Muslim. I see no sign that they are all taught to hate Christians and Jews. Do you have any Muslim friends to ask them about this? I do.

I don't know what they teach in the Christian schools, but in my limited experience, I have met plenty of Christians who hate Muslims. Do you hate Muslims? It seems like you do. Are you Christian? My step-father-in-law is a Christian who teaches Sunday school. One day he told me that the Bible says that Muslims are decended from the offspring of Sarah and a donkey. I'm not making this up, and no, I don't like the guy.

Without doing any research, I'll wager that Christians have killed more non-Christians in the name of God than Muslims have killed non-Muslims in the name of Allah. People do bad things to advance their religions.

I think that our political forefathers' religious beliefs had little to do with the rights and liberties we have. They were breaking off from a world that had a comingled church and state, where religion was often used for political gain.

"Can we agree that the root cause is the conflicting beliefs between christianity and islam?"
If this was the case I'd expect to see conflict in every country with followers of christianity and islam. Certain people/organisations have an axe to grind or a cause. I feel it may be based on things other than islam but using fundamental religous beliefs to push a particular point of view is something that most of us would be unfamiliar with.

As someone had mentioned in an earlier post - it's quite easy for these organisations to recruit when there's a huge pool of unhappy people they can draw on & they're fairly sensible in utilising schools as an ideal place to foster hatred & extremism. Of course it dosn't help that some of their beefs regarding western powers chucking their economic/political/cultural weight around are easily supported. All opinion - nothing to back it up other than what I 'feel' is logical.

I'd agree that tackling the root cause is the best bet.
(a) Build a few schools - donate facilities etc
(b) Try to encourage their countries to develop without being too obvious about bending them over in the process
(c) Attack the funding infrastructure of the terrorist groups.

Only ideas but I think they'd be more successful than sending troops into a country.

A Syrian born co-worker of mine for years, has brought up his hate for Israel and how he feels the US supports Israel. The fact that we have protected/stood behind Israel makes us the enemy.

This individual can not be reasoned with when it comes to discussing Irael. The only way this guy could be appeased, is if the US nuked Israel!

This Israel/US link is the true root of the problem, not christianity, poverty, or US citizens residing in arab countries. There is no easy answer because even if we quit backing Israel, a couple of generations of Arabs have grown up learning to hate the backers of the Israelis.

IMO, the only thing we can do, is continue trying to make the consequences of terrorism too severe/costly for the terrorists. In other words, if nothing good is gained by their repeated efforts maybe they will think twice before exposing themselves to heavy handed, devastating responses by the civilized world.

While the left will not agree with my only proposed way of dealing with terrorists, surely most can agree with the Israeli/US link being the root cause.

It's one of the major reasons, we might have to debate "root cause" verses "major reason" but we are in the same ballpark. There is the whole cultural thing that can't be ignored, and that is tied to religion.

Going to be a long day.;)

All government and political correctness aside?

Thoroughly limit the freedom of movement of anyone who looks to be of middle eastern decent. They are not allowed to fly in planes they cannot travel anywhere without being hassled.

Driving a car? Pulled over and searched.

Walking down the street? Pushed against a wall and searched

Flying in a plane? Never again

Bus? No!

Truck? No.

They cannot be employed they are segregated from society and never allowed to integrate.

Think back before 911. Whenever you heard about a suicide bomber a terrorist group would proudly claim resposibility of the action. They were thumbing their nose at their countrymen sort of speak. They were rarely brought to justice, they were rarely hunted down. Now they have branched out to other countries. Taking it to our backyards. Its no longer someone elses problem now its our own.

ME countries have tolerated this behavior for years. Now its spreading into our countries and we dont like it.


The solution I have will never come to be. It is way too politcally incorrect. Its purely racism against all middle easteners which would never be tolerated but, in all honesty it appears to me to be the only solution.