All the anti-gay marriage amendments passed in the last election made insurance for Civil Unions (unmarried couples) even harder to come by, in some states illegal.

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What exactly are these acts that you are not able to do anymore? If said acts are truly acceptable then they would not be called into question. If you would like total freedom to follow your every whim, by all means don't get married.

- To share that life with your SO
- To provide SO with everything they deserve (subjective of course)
- To spend your life learning to appreciate your SO
- To find joy and happiness in raising children with your SO
- To provide a stable environment for the children to flourish
- To leave a living legacy when your gone

The list could go on and on. I agree (before everyone pipes up with the obvious) that none of these depend on being married to one person. My (attempted) point is that if you are ALREADY decided that this is what you want, why should you not get married.

I am not attempting to try to convince those who do not want any form of commitment to go out and get married. That will end in failure. It seams to me that k911sc is willing to make some commitment. I don't see why getting married would be a bad idea in light of this fact.

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Yeah...He got his girlfriend pregnant...on purpose! It's not like he slipped one past the goalie, this was an empty net score. Commitment? He already made the ultimate commitment and he did it with his eyes wide open. The commitment of marriage pales in comparison to the one he already made.

Man; I just have to confess - I just don't see marriage as any sacrifice I've made.

The only downside is I can't go out and get me some strange.

Yippee.

As far as loosing my toys - it simply hasn't happened and with the woman I have she simply won't consider getting rid of the Porsche. Even after we had to replace the clutch recently. She was driving it this morning and I told her to "drive it like you stole it babe." I'm sure she did too.

If you have the right woman - there's no sacrific to be made in marriage. If you feel you are "sacrificing" either your with the wrong woman or she's with the wrong man.

:D

Kids are icing on the cake. They are the best toys ever, let me tell you. When they laugh all is right with the world.

I couldn't say it better mikester........ thou I can't seem to get my wife to drive my 911 like she stoled it. :(

You two can always become swingers.

LOLOLOL

just playing.

My wife's the bomb - word.

I don't even want me some strange.

Happily married with two wonderful kids here.

Clearly, you are somewhat confused about how you feel about her - you say you love her, but not that "knock you down" kind of love.

I would suggest the following:

1. Get her a promise ring or an engagement ring - set the wedding date after the child is born.

2. Move her in and start setting up house.

3. Give it an honest try. Yes, you will be sacrificing some of your freedom. She is sacrificing as well - in some ways, more than you are. If you are there or not, she is obligated for the next 18 years at a minimum.

The first two years with a child are a mixture of magic and insanity - it can be great and it can be very hard. It isn't easy and they don't come with instruction manuals.

You can be married with kids and still have your toys. You both can still have time alone, alone together or alone apart.

Congratulations on having a child!

AFJuvat

It'll never, ever work unless you realize you will no longer be #1.

Selfishness will kill it...every single time.

Moses is a very wise man. I read everything he writes....well, and lately cool chick :D

But then again I also read nostatic :)

Toby, I just posted the quote below on another thread. They say that when your only tool is a hammer, all the problems look like nails. Still, I believe the quote applies. I do not mean this to be unkind or insulting, but risks are part of life, and the degree to which you really "live" depends on the amount of courage you can muster. This is a watershed moment for you.

And on the issue of a prenuptual agreement, I would expect this dear lady to be comfortable with that discussion and I would be fearful if she is not, but far more importantly I think it all bears on whether you are the kind of person who could, in the event of a marriage failure, let her or your child suffer from desperation that you could relieve. Okay, now the quote:

"It costs so much to be a full human being that there are very few who have the enlightenment, or the courage, to pay the price…. One has to abandon altogether the search for security, and reach out to the risk of living with both arms. One has to embrace the world like a lover, and yet demand no easy return of love. One has to accept pain as a condition of existence. One has to court doubt and darkness as the cost of knowing. One needs a will stubborn in conflict, but apt always to the total acceptance of every consequence of living and dying."
The Shoes of the Fisherman (1963).

First of, Congrats are in order :D

Old fashioned guy here… Now, since you’ve been together so long and decided to father a child with her, I guess it’s the real thing. So why not???

It’ll will also go along way in your relationship with your kid plus it will make it easier for him/her in the future when getting in school, ….

For the “assets” you have??? If they were yours when you got married, they are still yours in case of a split. You’ll only split those assets or actually the change in assets from the date of marriage to the date of divorce. Plain and simple.

For example, the engagement ring is hers to keep since its something you would have given her BEFORE marriage. Now, the wedding bands are communal property since they are exchanged after marriage (in most states anyway).

So, your 911 is safe as are all your pre-marriage assets. Anyhow, none of those will make you as happy as the baby !

Gatatom,Mikester,Moses and the to the others who feel the magic, folk's around here always talk about P ownership..you either get it or you don't understand . We love and are loved deeply by others, had a few thing's when I got into marriage and have a little more now (well alot) but if I lost it (the stuff) all tomm. P included..I would still be a lucky guy..trust me ..not a easy person to understand or live with. ? , cause my Lady just rocks my world after 15 years, and I'm working hard to enjoy another 100 years with her, or whatever time I have left here. Or look at this way.
The PPI was great,ownership and maintance is up to you, and if done right, you will smile from your heart , when someone inquires , is that your family?
Rika