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Motorcycle accident (almost) happy ending
One of main reasons why I never took bike licence was that I feared of a accident. This video is food for tought:
http://capotv.com/clips/10_motorrad_unfall_full.wmv
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08-08-2005, 10:13 AM
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Kinda looks as if he was turning and using the front brake... never a good idea.
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08-08-2005, 11:08 AM
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I thought he got on the throttle and broke loose. Think that's called the death wobble.
What was the "happy ending"? His family had a huge medical plan? 
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08-08-2005, 11:13 AM
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looks like he hit the front brake in the turn and stood it up.
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08-08-2005, 11:39 AM
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08-08-2005, 11:48 AM
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Some thing upset his line, sand, oil, some thing...I slo-mo'd and frame by framed and couldn't see anything on the road surface...he definitely wasn't doing a trick.
As for a death wobble, that wasn't one. DWs are generally straight line incidents induced by a jar to the front wheel at speed. His brakes lights never came on, either. Going over the wall would've been insult to injury.
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08-08-2005, 12:08 PM
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So far, everyone is right. Power on, slipped the rear tire (no dirt bike training evident), then went to oops/oh sheet mode, and then exercised health plan option M.
Yes, is a long fall pretty much everywhere in the alps. But the important part has been missed so far. I KNEW it was a crash vid, so was watching for what did him in as it was happening. The intro is sooooo long, I just figured someone was going to come along and bugsplat him out of frame view. The cam was obviously on an adjacent bike. Then it hit me. He was doing something besides riding. He was showing off. Note how close the grips get in one of the alongside sequences. Sorry, this falls into the "Nature Weeding out the Stupid" category. May also tread lightly in the "There but for the Grace of God" category......
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I think his left foot hit the ground and upset the bike. It's in the shadows, but it looks like that's the cause (to me)
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why the foot out? Seems that is an inexperienced rider/panic thing...
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08-08-2005, 12:54 PM
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that is wierd. no brake lights, and it didnt look like he got on it that hard to spin the rear wheel. ( it isnt that easy to do, i have tried) and that corner isnt even tight. not real sure how/why he crashed.
i think i agree with todd, he simply panicked. in the panic, it looked like he gripped hard for safety, and it makes throttling down a near impossiblity.
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08-08-2005, 01:04 PM
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Foot out and frozen controls - that looks like a textbook example of what Keith Code terms a Survival Reaction. Guess it worked since the poor guy didn't go over the side...
It looked to me like the rider downshifted and got on the gas but then decided he'd picked up too much steam, then braked, first rear too hard (skid), then front. I believe his brake light is on that entire final sequence. Those survival reactions (brakes) are tough to bypass. Only years and years of experience will do it. |
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08-08-2005, 01:27 PM
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You know, I went back and did the slo-mo thing on the already slo-mo end part. Foot doesn't leave the peg until after the rear slip.
Two things do show up tho. Watch the pavement right ahead of the bike right before the slip. It changes color, and darkens slightly, in a big square patch. Could have been a ridge there, combined with the power roll on and lean (or rear brake), and the rear slips (dirt bikers would have enjoyed the power slide), but then it either grabs or he lets off the power, and it kicks back. And I agree with Dave. You see the downshift (revs climb as it leaves the view), and as the tailight comes into view, it looks like it lights up for the rest of the sequence. Right before the slip, there is a head / shoulders body english lean into the turn (like he needs more cowbell... er.... I mean more turn). Were it not for the full leathers, you probably could have seen the pucker. The only other explanation is that he (NASCAR fans will understand this) 'lost the lift' on his Munchen license plate.
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I think he downshifted (with or without the clutch) while leaned to the left a little, and the engine compression locked up the rear wheel, washing it out. Bike snapped back when the rear tire regained traction and started the wobble, which he couldn't handle. Kind of like a baby highside, with the wall and panic just ahead.
A lot of bikes with strong engine braking (usually twins) come with "slipper clutches" to ease the transition when the clutch re-engages for this reason.
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Steve, that sounds entirely pausible...I only got about 200 miles in cuz of rain while on leave, and am not in riding focus. I haven't ridden much in the last year and a half because of this deployment. My #700er will do that upon occasion.
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Simply looks like he lost traction on the rear tire. Might have run over a couple of round pebbles or something the cause the rear to slide out. He foot didn't seem to move until the snap. If he had been on (and stayed on) the throttle, he would have just powered through the event. So I think he was at a pretty steady throttle and was "working" on leaning into the curve...
singpilot is right. body language was not that of a seasoned rider. He wanted to lean, but just wan't comfortable doing it. The foot out was yet another indicator of a fresh rider as others pointed out. He was lucky... |
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i am proud to admit that i have NEVER crashed a bike all by myself. it took other cars to knock me off.
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I can admit that I went off of a bike once. I was in college. 1970-something. On a Honda 754.
Anyone knowing the Sacramento Delta knows the levee roads up there. Hot (damn hot) summer day, big group of us riding (fast, to stay cool, haha). No traffic. Levee road comes to a 90 degree right, across a steel grated bridge, another 90 degree left to once again parallel the canal. Another canal alongside after the second left. Someone in a car, long gone, popped a radiator hose 3/4 of the way across the bridge. Yep. All 7 bikes into the river with riders reasonably attached. Not a single person hurt. We cooled off all right. Only time I have ever been off.
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Definitely a throttle-induced tank-slapper. A mild one, but it kept him from making his turn.
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08-08-2005, 11:54 PM
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looks to me like, (been said a number of times already) that he was a novice rider, and downshifted then trys to accel away, but upon acceleration when he starts leaning (which he obviously doesnt look like hes accostomed to doing) and he brakes the rear wheel loose and begins to panic. he doesnt grab the clutch and and attempt to re-grip the back wheel but instead he freezes, and even though you cant tell he prolly never got off of the gas
note: also if you watch him begin the turn and lean into the corner, you can see that his lean is almost twice the lean that he is actually leaning the bike
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