Intelligent Design

[tcar]

Open letter to the Kansas School Board:

www.venganza.org

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by tcar
Open letter to the Kansas School Board:

www.venganza.org

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

Cute, but intelligent design is not a Christian or "Flying Spaghetti Monster" thing. It is merely the theory that there was some design involved in everything by something. Sorta like genetic engineering on our part, but on a larger scale. The scientific side of it has NOTHING to do with religion.

[David]

Why did this intellegent designer give us goose bumps to fluff up the fur that we don't have to keep us warm? Or give us eyes that see everything upside down so our brain has to correct the image? Or cancer?

[tcar]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Cute, but intelligent design is not a Christian or "Flying Spaghetti Monster" thing. It is merely the theory that there was some design involved in everything by something. Sorta like genetic engineering on our part, but on a larger scale. The scientific side of it has NOTHING to do with religion.

Maybe you're taking this too seriously... think "The Onion"...

Pastafarianism...

[IROC]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Cute, but intelligent design is not a Christian or "Flying Spaghetti Monster" thing. It is merely the theory that there was some design involved in everything by something. Sorta like genetic engineering on our part, but on a larger scale. The scientific side of it has NOTHING to do with religion.

The problem with ID, though, is that it is not a scientific theory. There is no "scientific side" to ID. It predicts nothing. It explains nothing. It has no useful purpose other than to attempt to cast doubts on evolutionary theory (which it does not do).

The nail in the coffin of all of this rhetoric on teaching creationism or ID in classrooms would be to go ahead and permit it to be taught and then watch it fall apart as people actually tried to produce a textbook on "Creationism" of "ID". It can't be done. ID and Creationism are simply "beliefs" with no scientific evidence to back them up.

Mike

[IROC]

Excellent open letter to the Kansas school board, BTW...

[kang]

EVOLUTION, INTELLIGENT DESIGN FAIL TO EXPLAIN BUSH

Scientists in Oslo Debate Origin of President

At a conference being held this week in Oslo, Norway, over one thousand of the world’s leading scientists have concluded that neither the theory of evolution nor the theory of intelligent design adequately explain President George W. Bush.

The conference, which organizers hoped would shed new light on the origin of the U.S. president, has so far led to more bafflement than insight, according to the University of Tokyo’s Hiroshi Kyosuke.

“There are some here who firmly believe that the theory of evolution explains President Bush, since he shares many characteristics in common with the chimpanzee,” said Mr. Kyosuke, one of the world’s leading zoologists. “And yet, if you put him and a chimp side by side, it is hard to say with any confidence that Mr. Bush has evolved.”

Similarly, supporters of the intelligent design theory have been frustrated in their attempts to apply that theory to President Bush, Mr. Kyosuke said.

“Most efforts to call Mr. Bush the result of intelligent design crumble to dust the moment he opens his mouth,” Mr. Kyosuke said. “So we’re really back to square one.”

As for Mr. Bush’s refusal to speak to antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, Mr. Kyosuke said that he has developed a new theory to explain this phenomenon.

“I believe that President Bush is like ‘The 40-Year-Old Virgin,’” Mr. Kyosuke said. “He’s afraid to talk to a woman.”


http://www.borowitzreport.com/archive_rpt.asp?rec=1201&srch=

[techweenie]

When people embrace religious explanations and reject science, they move the country toward third world status.

The media trumpets bogus "science experiments" that prove the power of prayer in healing others, and fails to report the later correction -- that the numbers were 'fudged.' 51% of Americas believe spirits may walk among us.

We are approaching a point where the majority of medical breakthroughs will happen outside the U.S.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4172504.stm

[lendaddy]

Man, you guys hate religion so much it clouds your vision. Remeber...I am not religious either, so keep that in perspective.

Odd that many that refuse ID openly accept alien life or "other life". Do you not see the potential for influence by another being(s)? That's all it is, no one gets issued a cross or whatever.

[David McLaughlin]

Actually, it's the otherway around. The more we try to prove evolutionism, the more ID makes sence. It takes more faith to believe we developed from a few gases and slime than to believe someone or something made all we see. That doesn't disprove that some things evolve, it just meants that something from nothing makes less sence.

Originally posted by IROC
The problem with ID, though, is that it is not a scientific theory. There is no "scientific side" to ID. It predicts nothing. It explains nothing. It has no useful purpose other than to attempt to cast doubts on evolutionary theory (which it does not do).

The nail in the coffin of all of this rhetoric on teaching creationism or ID in classrooms would be to go ahead and permit it to be taught and then watch it fall apart as people actually tried to produce a textbook on "Creationism" of "ID". It can't be done. ID and Creationism are simply "beliefs" with no scientific evidence to back them up.

Mike

[IROC]

If you're not religious, why do you subscribe to a religious belief (ID) that has no basis in observable evidence?

Why do you attest that reaching logical conclusions from the rigorous study of mountains of evidence constitutes hatred of religion? If someone is a big fan of quantum theory, do they hate religion also?

It seems it is not our vision that is clouded.

Mike

[IROC]

Originally posted by David McLaughlin
Actually, it's the otherway around. The more we try to prove evolutionism, the more ID makes sence. It takes more faith to believe we developed from a few gases and slime than to believe someone or something made all we see. That doesn't disprove that some things evolve, it just meants that something from nothing makes less sence.

There is no effort underway to "prove" evolution. There is no current credible debate as to whether "evolution" has occured or not.

Your statement "something from nothing" indicates that you really don't understand biology or evolutionary theory very well. "Something from nothing" is actually creationism, right? Or did god create the universe from something else that already existed?

Mike

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by IROC
If you're not religious, why do you subscribe to a religious belief (ID) that has no basis in observable evidence?

Why do you attest that reaching logical conclusions from the rigorous study of mountains of evidence constitutes hatred of religion? If someone is a big fan of quantum theory, do they hate religion also?

It seems it is not our vision that is clouded.

Mike

It's not about religion at all. It's about the beginning of mankind. This can be explained in a number of ways, to ignore the possibility of the existence of greater/equal beings being involved just because you hate Christians is what I call stupid.

[IROC]

Who here hates Christians? Raise your hand...

Seriously, Len, what's up with that? The Catholic church has stated that evolution is a valid theory. The theory of evolution makes no statements what-so-ever above the existence of "greater/equal" beings (whatever that is).

The "origins of man" might be able to be explained in many ways, but the *evidence* that we have found points directly to evolution - that's my only point.

Mike

[H.G.P.]

I keep looking around for our wings and feathers, but only find airplanes.

[tchanson]

Apparently the so called "law" of gravity, long pushed on our children by closed-minded gravitists, is also finally being thoroughly debunked as well...

Tim

[techweenie]

Originally posted by IROC
Who here hates Christians? Raise your hand...

That's the standard response to everything these days from some: oppose the war = 'hate America.'

Real Christians are almost as nice to be around as Buddhists. There are real Christians posting on this BBS and their posts are not full of name-calling and hate.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

I think the earth was shat out by a giant aardvark, 31 years ago.

[jimz61]

If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

[IROC]

Originally posted by jimz61
If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

Because we didn't evolve from apes.

Oh, I get it - that was a joke.

Mike