Interesting Article on NO disaster !

[CarreraCab]

http://www.intellectualactivist.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

The article above is an interesting take on the current New Orleans disaster...........Doug

[legion]

There you go...blaming the looters for looting and the rapist for raping. They never would have done this if GWB hadn't paid off the oil companies...or is it the other way around? Still, you can't reasonably expect local officials to develop emergency plans for the areas under their control...not when there are vacations to Las Vegas to plan. It is the federal government's responsibility to plan for and respond to all natural (and man-made) disasters all over the country. I mean, why should a city built between and below a river and a lake be responsible for protecting itself from flooding? It should be the responsibility of every taxpayer not living there...as the people who do can't be held accountable.

[1967 R50/2]

Interesting article.

I must say that I have been wondering why the reaction of the populace to this disaster is so dissimilar from that of the east coast black-out, 911, and various earthquakes.

..and I can't say that I disagee with the writer's conclusions.

[RoninLB]

http://interactive.wsj.com/dividend...plate=dividends

[kach22i]

Originally posted by CarreraCab
http://www.intellectualactivist.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

That was one of the most racist/facist things I've
ever read. Disturbing that you decided to pass it
around.

Freaking wow! Talk about kicking American's while they
are down. Can I buy the author Robert Tracinski a one
way ticket to New Orleans?

Now I bet you are wondering who lived/lives in New Orleans, and who may of been left behind; read the following link. It may not answer everthing, but a little education is better than nothing. Yep, the article is slanted to the left, so what?

http://www.leftturn.org/Articles/Viewer.aspx?id=670&type=W
A 70% African-American city.................

Or just try this:

US Census:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/22/22071.html
Homeownership rate, 2000 46.5%

Per capita money income, 1999 $17,258

Black or African American persons, percent, 2000 (a)
67.3%

[kach22i]

Originally posted by RoninLB
http://interactive.wsj.com/dividend...plate=dividends

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[legion]

Why is it racist and/or fascist to say that people who have had everything handed to them their whole lives do not feel responsible for their own misfortune?

I grew up in an extremely wealthy area. The kids who had mommy and daddy buy them a BMW did not feel responsible for the upkeep of their vehicles. I even went to high school with one kid who got bored with his Mustang so he crashed it into a brick wall. He knew this would "force" his parents to buy him a new car.

Why doesn't this apply at the other end of the economic scale?

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by kach22i
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sorry.

I copy & paste the whole thread in the "Who Destroyed FEMA" thread this am.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by legion
Why is it racist and/or fascist to say that people who have had everything handed to them their whole lives do not feel responsible for their own misfortune?

If you blindly buy the welfare myth of generational welfare, I'll warn you ahead of time that it's going to take volumes of raw data as well as validated scientific interpolations to uproot the facts I acquired in college.

Show me your myth is real, and I will listen.

This rule goes for all myths, nothing against you or yours.

I'll throw you a bone:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYZ/is_4_31/ai_n8688142

This law included provisions for limiting welfare receipt by young mothers, including requiring teen mothers to live at home with their parents. Since the passage of this Act, there has been a drastic reduction in the number of recipients of welfare. Nationally, there has been a 50 percent decline in the number of welfare recipients from 1996 to 2002 (Committee on Ways and Means, 2004)............................This study examines these issues in order to determine if making welfare less available to relatively young women appears likely to change their probability of being married or their level of economic well-being later in life. We focus particularly on young women because it has been hypothesized or inferred that the negative effects of welfare may be more severe for young recipients (Mead, 1986; Murray, 1984; Tanner, 1996)..........................Research examining the intergenerational use of welfare has generally found that adults whose parents used welfare may be more likely to themselves use welfare (An et al., 1993; Dolinsky, Caputo & O'Kane, 1989; Gottschalk, McLanahan, & Sandefure, 1994; Hill and Ponza, 1989; McLanahan, 1988; Rank and Cheng, 1995). Gottschalk (1992) and Vartanian (1999) found that for blacks, but not whites, parental welfare receipt strongly predicted welfare receipt of the daughter,

I have not read all eight pages, but there might be a small amount of "transference" due to economics and education. Please read it all, and let me know.

[1967 R50/2]

Kachi-

Nobody is going to provide you that data on this board.

There is too much of it and this board is mostly concerned with emotionalism and not facts or logic.

However, I too went to college and read quite a bit about the welfare state. While liberal in most regards, I do think that welfare is a dead end. Literally in some cases. That probably puts my college at odds with yours.

Welfare as it is usually treated in this country is giving a man a fish, rather than teaching him TO FISH. You know the rest of the cliche. Pasture of the Commons and all that jazz.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by 1967 R50/2
However, I too went to college and read quite a bit about the welfare state.

To a college that recieved a hand-out from the state?

I went to a private college - worked my way though, and took some student welfare (loans and aid) along the way.

I think I turned out pretty okay.

I hate welfare and welfare mothers who abuse it, that is different than buying into myths. When I say I hate welfare, that is different than saying I hate all the recipients - I think.

[1967 R50/2]

Originally posted by kach22i
To a college that recieved a hand-out from the state?

I went to a private college - worked my way though, and took some student welfare (loans and aid) along the way.

I think I turned out pretty okay.I hate welfare and welfare mothers who abuse it, that is different than buying into myths. When I say I hate welfare, that is different than saying I hate all the recipients - I think.

OK. Sounds good to me.

I went out of state so I didn't get much that I didn't have to repay. Worked a lot too.

[skipdup]

I went to college too.

[CarreraCab]

Kach 22i,
Sorry that you feel that way about the article posted. I believe it shows a good example of just what is going on down there. Like it or not, it's what is happening. No one these days wants to be responsible for their actions ! I say Fuch em ! If this is the treatment given by non productive members of society by people who are trying to help/save them, shooting at people who are trying to do the right thing !
Once again I say Fuch em !...........Doug

[HardDrive]

I think the author is correct in the sense that the people who remained are largely un-umpowered people.

I also think that welfare clearly erodes a persons sense of personal responsibility.

But to lay blame at the feet of welfare for what happend it zeroing in on a small part of a larger issue. Merely taking away welfare would not suddenly empower individuals and send them out into the world as productive citizens. In conjunction with this, you need to provide people with realistic economic opportunitys for them to succeed. A mother with 4 kids is not going to be able to support them working in fast food restuarants.

The author has an agenda. We all do, and thats fine. And I think its healthy to point out the role apathy and poverty played in the disaster. But his attack on welfare is a contrivance.

EDIT: I did not see anything racist about the article.

[VaSteve]

I recall seeing video from cnn.com of people fighting in the Superdome last Monday long before the power went out, the roof opened up and the canals flooded.

[RoninLB]

NYC has families on welfare for 3 generations. Undergraduate pay scale has fallen 5% in general since 2000.

the party that uses the 1st group as part of it's base is going to be in a conundrum trying to relate to the 2nd group and their families. The party of the 2nd group may use these Census Bureau #'s to push for more long term growth and competitiveness. The point is that welfare is a voter base that distorts the welfare program.

[Steeve]

HAHA, we have 5th generation welfare families here in Texas. How pathetic is that??? Hand up my a$$.

[aways]

Interesting article, with a lot of truth in it.

[rrpjr]

Originally posted by CarreraCab
[url]The article above is an interesting take on the current New Orleans disaster...........Doug

The article at least gets right the phenomenon of grotesque violence and social disintegration totally at odds with the reactions of most people to a natural disaster. How to explain? How to explain people shooting at their rescuers? How to explain such a completely depraved environment? The social fabric is falling apart. This problem is much larger, has far more implications and is far more important to solve than a hurricane, or FEMA's deficiencies or the civil engineering of the levies. But no one wants to discuss it -- the common discourse cannot even entertain it.

Thanks for posting the link and supporting free speech.