Chertoff: No one saw this coming.

[HardDrive]

OH PLEASE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.chertoff/index.html

There was an article in Scientific American last year about this exact scenario. Numerous magazines and newspapers have explored this scenario.

So when terrorists blow up a dirty bomb in a shipping container in the Long Beach, CA ship yards, is this dolt going to say, "No one say this coming." ????????

[Shaun @ Tru6]

there's going to be a lot of revisionist history on this from the Right. I heard Laura Ingraham say over and over that no one knew the storm would be this big.

of course if was the ONLY story on Fox and CNN for 4 days before it hit.

[350HP930]

Well, this administration used the old 'nobody saw it coming' excuse for 9/11 as well so they are probably hoping they can cover their asses with this old worn out lie again.

[bryanthompson]

Just wait until Haliburton rebuilds the oil infrastructure down south.. then you Lefties will really be hopping.

"NO HURRICANE FOR OIL!!"

[techweenie]

Originally posted by bryanthompson
Just wait until Haliburton rebuilds the oil infrastructure down south.. then you Lefties will really be hopping.

"NO HURRICANE FOR OIL!!"

Houston Chronicle:

Halliburton hired for storm cleanup

The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina.
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Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so.

KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees.

[350HP930]

Disasters of all sorts sure do benefit duh-bya's and dick's buddies.

They don't even need to cause them like they did with the iraq war, they can just let their administration's short sightedness and incompetence provide their buddies with ample opportunities for increased profits.

[artplumber]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
there's going to be a lot of revisionist history on this from the Right.

So Shaun, what about the mayor & the governor? They sure acted without a plan of any kind with the same sort of info. How much blame are you going to lay at their feet?

BTW The Fed prepares for the generalities of a disaster, it's the responsibility of the local authorities to recognize unique circumstances to the area which may adversely affect the recovery.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by HardDrive
There was an article in Scientific American last year about this exact scenario. Numerous magazines and newspapers have explored this scenario.

Including the National Geographic:

http://205.188.130.53/ngm/0410/feature5/

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by artplumber
So Shaun, what about the mayor & the governor? They sure acted without a plan of any kind with the same sort of info. How much blame are you going to lay at their feet?

BTW The Fed prepares for the generalities of a disaster, it's the responsibility of the local authorities to recognize unique circumstances to the area which may adversely affect the recovery.

Peter, you've quickly jumped to a lot of conclusions about my position (unknown to you) on the relief efforts from my post. Please re-read.

My post was about right wing talk radio trying to divert blame by saying no one thought the storm would be as big as it was.

This is a blatant distortion of the truth. Please respond as to whether you think Laura, and other far Right media, was spot on in her analysis; this would be a more appropriate reply.

In terms of preparedness, you only have ask yourself whether or not we have the best, most sophisticated meteorlogical equipment in the world, 4 days of watching the storm, knowledge of the topographical nature of New Orleans, a sizable and readily organized National Guard (more than enough still in the U.S.), and experience based on at least 4 major storms hitting the U.S. every year.

From those few pieces of information, you can draw your own conclusions on ANY AND ALL response to the devastation.

You also have to wonder what bright bulbs didn't say to themselves..."you know we've got all these closed down military bases that would be great for housing the dispossessed, let's move them there..."

[artplumber]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Peter, you've quickly jumped to a lot of conclusions about my position (unknown to you) on the relief efforts from my post. Please re-read.

My post was about right wing talk radio trying to divert blame by saying no one thought the storm would be as big as it was.

You also have to wonder what bright bulbs didn't say to themselves..."you know we've got all these closed down military bases that would be great for housing the dispossessed, let's move them there..."

No jump to any conclusions, I simply asked what about the mayor & the governor because they are from the left, and your initial post said "revisionist history from the right". They have been doing a lot of "it's someone else's fault" as well. So if your assumption was that I was assuming... you get the picture.

If you want to know my impression, it's that at almost every level of gubmint there was a breakdown. Why not add to your light bulb theory, that NO has (had) school buses and at least some public trans system beforehand, why didn't they move some of these so-called immobile folks out of town, and save some of the buses at the same time. Or, if the mayor is going to send everyone to the Superdome, make sure some of the emergency supplies were staged there, and have backup generators in place in case of loss of power. This doesn't include obvious eventualities like portapotties in the the dome in case the sewer system goes down.

No argument with the empty bases. I think the gubment is foolish to charter some cruise ships for housing. That only means a long term bigger bill when the folks trash the ships and we have to pay to refurb them.

[techweenie]

I wonder if anyone here remembers Mississippi? How can we blame the lack of response in Mississippi on everyone but W?

[HardDrive]

Originally posted by bryanthompson


"NO HURRICANE FOR OIL!!"

LMAO.

[tabs]

I'll say it again....The President of the US is like the captain of a large ship....he turns the wheel of the ship and it takes many miles before the ship even begins to respond...

We in the US have a LARGE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY let alone the States Bureaucracy....The President is nominally in charge, but Bureaucracys have a mind of their own and are very slow to respond...there even is theory that a Bureaucracy will remove a president from office if he wants to change the system very much...Bureaucracys do resist change....

So for anybody to Politicalize the tragedy down in Nawlins really doesn't know very much about how things really work...and by opening their holes just show how ignorant they really are...

[aways]

This sums up the situation:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011560.php

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by aways
This sums up the situation:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011560.php

shrill

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
shrill

On the money actually. The responsibility for the city was the Mayor's and for the state was the governor. The feds cannot even come in until invited by the state (Missippi's reaction is a good example of leadership). As fas as knowing about the problems in advance...as late as Monday night, the TV news was reporting that "New Orleans" had dodged a bullet" again and there was little damage. People need to take responsibility for theirselves, their city, and tyheir state. Now you see why electing local officials based on popularity and how much of someone else money (taxes) they promise you...is simply asking for trouble...A little more local leadership and a little less fingerpointing would have gone a long way.

[tabs]

I was gona Open a New Topic on CNN's coverage of the NO debacle....

Diane Grace was almost hysterical...."Where are the busses to evacuate these people." Well honey we don't live in a perfect world and their are simply no more busses to be had....

Diane Grace...."What do you mean those troops are going to be deployed Tommorow, what about today." Honey things just don't happen because we WISH them to...the logistics of the matter dictate the time it takes...

Like I said earlier....Bureaucracies are lumbering giants that take time to respond....fill out the form in triplicate then submit..and if their are any mistakes refill out the forms....

[tabs]

Ohhh the reason I didn't open a new topic is that I fugured Diane Grace job is to get hysterical....on every issue just not NO.....

[fintstone]

Makes you wonder why the Mayor and the Governor didn't use all those Louisiana school busses and bus drivers to evacuate everyone before Katrina struck...since everyone knew this was going to happen.

[island911]

Originally posted by HardDrive
OH PLEASE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.chertoff/index.html

There was an article in Scientific American last year about this exact scenario. Numerous magazines and newspapers have explored this scenario.
. ..

Apparently the folks who lived and died there didn't see it coming. . . .and they lived there thru many other storms.

Maybe they missed that issue of Scientific American.